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Old 11-22-2011, 06:37 AM
 
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Man that guy really wanted to get out of Massapequa!
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:10 AM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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Man that guy really wanted to get out of Massapequa!
It sounds like they were in a stolen car. The officer saw 2 men changing license plates which is why she went to pull them over. Then there is also a chance that they also had drugs, illegal guns, a warrant on their name, etc.
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Old 11-22-2011, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Fifth moon from Nebula
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It sounds like they were in a stolen car. The officer saw 2 men changing license plates which is why she went to pull them over. Then there is also a chance that they also had drugs, illegal guns, a warrant on their name, etc.
Damn that caller!
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:14 AM
 
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...Everyone seems to remember the cop who died that day, few will recall, the child whose life was cut tragically short. That may have been a case of over-anxious cops, not civilians.

The self professed Satanist, who refused orders to drop the knife and advanced towards the police, after he menaced his neighbor with the same knife, that adult?
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:31 AM
 
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Newsday reporting:
"The injured officer responded and spotted the four-door Honda Accord, now with Florida plates,
on the Southern State. The officer then closely tailed the car going eastbound in her unmarked cruiser."

I could be wrong about this, but, is the photograph showing us a squad car, a very clearly marked police car? If there's bloodguilt here, it might also stain
the hands of the person who called in the plate switch tip, there's too many do-gooders out there. Not so long ago, a retired cop got into the middle of a police
action and got an officer killed. It is such a shame when a non-violent crime brings on adjunct violence, even death. I might suspect that the officer was following
too closely to the suspect, that if she were on traffic duty and saw a motorist, obviously tailgaiting (following too closely), she would have ticketed the following
car for being to close to the lead car. Yes, my heart goes out to this officer, but it puzzles me to try to understand why a police officer would not use every last
cautionary measure available to them, while in pursuit of a lawbreaker. I thought that with the advent of the radio, that the police officer, a 20 year veteran, might've
(in the interest of safety), considered radioing ahead and having a few cruisers waiting to intercept the vehicle. I also think that the potential for a more tragic result
of this pursuit, was there in the fact that sometimes, Southern State parkway is crowded by so many cars, all going at a decent rate of speed, that a few innocents
weren't injured. They should begin to see a police cruiser as an instrument at par with a handgun. Police should be zealous about interdicting crime, but they need to
realize that a car can kill you just as fast as a Glock can. In spite of the officers failed attempt at capturing the fleeing suspects, they got away, and the irony of the
whole sad affair, is that the person who called in the 911 call, the one who had been won-over in the "see something, say something" spirit of today's way of life,
didn't even get the plate number!
You are way off trying to connect these two incidents.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:33 AM
 
Location: West Islip, Ny
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It sounds like they were in a stolen car. The officer saw 2 men changing license plates which is why she went to pull them over. Then there is also a chance that they also had drugs, illegal guns, a warrant on their name, etc.
The cop didn't see them changing the plates somebody called the police and told them there was a suspicious car in the neighborhood and that they had changed plates. They were def doing something illegal but there was no reason to chase them the way the cop did. She put way too many ppl in danger chasing ppl for nothing other then changing license plates since that's all she had on the guys at that time. Then the police expect the public to believe that during the chase both cars were going 60 to 65mph. Are you kidding me at that time of day in that area the slow pokes are doing 65 or better.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Fifth moon from Nebula
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The self professed Satanist, who refused orders to drop the knife and advanced towards the police, after he menaced his neighbor with the same knife, that adult?

The dark, misunderstood kid who was locked harmlessly in his bedroom, whose parents begged not be harmed. Yes, that one. Maybe, just maybe, if they'd left him alone and gotten some assistance from personnel that specialized in the mentally unstable, both men might still be alive.
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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Aside from the thread drift...if he was "locked harmlessly" in his room, then why do all the reports, including those from his parents, state that he was moving towards the officers at the time of his death? He's young, but at 21, does that make you a kid still? There's no getting around the tragedy of both of their deaths, but, his actions caused his death. I don't profess to have any knowledge of him or his circumstances, had his parents, or his friends made any attempt to get this person any help?
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Old 11-22-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Fifth moon from Nebula
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Aside from the thread drift...if he was "locked harmlessly" in his room, then why do all the reports, including those from his parents, state that he was moving towards the officers at the time of his death? He's young, but at 21, does that make you a kid still? There's no getting around the tragedy of both of their deaths, but, his actions caused his death. I don't profess to have any knowledge of him or his circumstances, had his parents, or his friends made any attempt to get this person any help?
I don't profess to have any knowledge of him, or his family, or their efforts to help him either. He was pretty young and maybe this would have been the first event that drove his parents to seek help. Their only duty after the incident was laying him to rest.

The report I heard was that the police got everyone out of the house and went back in, which is when he lunged at them. I'm just saying maybe they should have kept him contained and called for a specialist instead of going in.

Neither you nor I drifted this thread. That distinction lies upon the poster I replied to.
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Old 11-22-2011, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Wallens Ridge
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The cop didn't see them changing the plates somebody called the police and told them there was a suspicious car in the neighborhood and that they had changed plates. They were def doing something illegal but there was no reason to chase them the way the cop did. She put way too many ppl in danger chasing ppl for nothing other then changing license plates since that's all she had on the guys at that time. Then the police expect the public to believe that during the chase both cars were going 60 to 65mph. Are you kidding me at that time of day in that area the slow pokes are doing 65 or better.
I once pursued a car for a mixed match plate and it turned out that all three occupants were wanted for rape, robbery and homicide.

L.I. Eddie's response was typical for a 75yo retired machinist or sheet metal worker.

Typical posters here have no law enforcement background.

You guys have zero knowledge of the police procedures,penal laws,vtl's,LBB,etc. yet seem to have a say in everything.

It's easy to Monday morning QB's but a P.O. sometimes you have to make a split second decision and sometimes its a life threatening one. Even the simplest of routine runs, car stops, I D checks turn on you in an instant.

Most of these decision are made with tons of adrenaline and you do the best you can during those extreme circumstances.

" just a license plate switch" sounds so blase. You have no idea what could have been in that car or what does guys did prior or if they are wanted possibly for. Nothing is routine in Law Enforcement !!

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