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Old 01-12-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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Don't worry, in a generation or 2 their kids will be just as lazy as you are.
I empty my bladder onto your foot for that remark.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:15 PM
 
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Congrats to all of this years semifinalists! Great job!

High five to Casey Vieni of Plainedge -- Red Devil Pride!

Given all the complaining we do about taxes and teacher pay, his project, " Economics of Education: An Analysis of Long Island Public High Schools and Economic Efficiency," sounds like an interesting read.
good find OhBeeHave
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:20 PM
 
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good find OhBeeHave
Pffft, must be on the teacher gravy train.



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Old 01-12-2012, 09:53 PM
 
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We had 61 and Texas had 2?!?!?! ROFLMAO
Yet ANOTHER reason to be a proud Long Islander!
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Old 01-13-2012, 08:03 AM
 
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We had 61 and Texas had 2?!?!?! ROFLMAO
Yet ANOTHER reason to be a proud Long Islander!
Rick Perry and George Bush know how to run an education system, not you stinking liberal Northeastern elitists.

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Old 01-14-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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Intel Science Talent Search 2012 Semifinalists

Hats off to LI in the Intel STS--Another year of Long Island students coming through.
61 Semifinalists from LI, out of 300 total. Many of them hailing from the usual schools that dominate this competition; but I was especially impressed with Bellmore grabbing 4.


Agarwalla, Anjali (17) Herricks High School, New Hyde Park, NY
Alford, Rebecca Faye (17) Commack High School, Commack, NY
Bai, Emily (18) William A. Shine Great Neck South High School, Great Neck, NY
Blumberg, Hannah Louise (17) Paul D. Schreiber High School, Port Washington, NY
Brown, Asia Vera (17) Sanford H. Calhoun High School, Merrick, NY
Caliendo, Eric Thaddeus (18) St. Anthony's High School, South Huntington, NY
Chandrashekar, Anirudh (17) Jericho Senior High School, Jericho, NY
Chapin, Sarah (17) Herricks High School, New Hyde Park, NY
Chen, Kristine Y. (17) John L. Miller Great Neck North High School, Great Neck, NY
Cohen, Rachel Adena (17) Paul D. Schreiber High School, Port Washington, NY
Coraor, Juliana Mathea (16) Huntington High School, Huntington, NY
Davani, David John (17) North Shore High School, Glen Head, NY
Davis, Rachel Michelle (18) Smithtown High School East, St. James, NY
Desai, Malini (17) Half Hollow Hills High School West, Dix Hills, NY
Dolowich, Jill (17) Jericho Senior High School, Jericho, NY
Donskoy, Patricia Hanna (17) George W. Hewlett High School, Hewlett, NY
Erfani, Parsa (17) Plainview-Old Bethpage John F. Kennedy High School, Plainview, NY
Fagin, Lily Madeline (17) North Shore High School, Glen Head, NY
Fradkin, Samantha Ilana (17) Plainview-Old Bethpage John F. Kennedy High School, Plainview, NY
Garvey, Samantha Natalie (17) Brentwood High School - Sonderling Center, Brentwood, NY
Gossett, Brett Evan (17) John F. Kennedy High School, Bellmore, NY
Gould, Sherilyn Sara (17) Plainview-Old Bethpage John F. Kennedy High School, Plainview, NY
Hsiao, Caroline (17) Manhasset High School, Manhasset, NY
Ilanges, Anoj (17) Oceanside High School, Oceanside, NY
Iscowitz, Ross Michael (17) John F. Kennedy High School, Bellmore, NY
Kenagy, Hannah Schaefer (17) Half Hollow Hills High School East, Dix Hills, NY
Kim, Christine (17) Jericho Senior High School, Jericho, NY
Kim, Savina Dine (17) Commack High School, Commack, NY
Lee, Austin (17) Commack High School, Commack, NY
Leibowicz, Claire Rebecca (17) John L. Miller Great Neck North High School, Great Neck, NY
Makram, Mariam (16) Plainview-Old Bethpage John F. Kennedy High School, Plainview, NY
Mehta, Neil Kamlesh (17) Jericho Senior High School, Jericho, NY
Miller, Samuel Glenn (17) Pierson High School, Sag Harbor, NY
Morales, Amelia Natalie (17) Kings Park High School, Kings Park, NY
Morra, Rocco Pasquale (17) Ward Melville High School, East Setauket, NY
Parigoris, Eric Scott (17) Kings Park High School, Kings Park, NY
Pollack, Daniel Aron (17) Roslyn High School, Roslyn Heights, NY
Pun, April (17) Jericho Senior High School, Jericho, NY
Qureshi, Mariyam Talat (17) Valley Stream South High School, Valley Stream, NY
Rambhia, Sagar Hitendra (17) Jericho Senior High School, Jericho, NY
Saraon, Arjan (17) Paul D. Schreiber High School, Port Washington, NY
Sato, Anna (17) Ward Melville High School, East Setauket, NY
Schneider, Evan Glenn (17) Roslyn High School, Roslyn Heights, NY
Sekar, Shubha (17) Ward Melville High School, East Setauket, NY
Shah, Anuja Bharat (17) Jericho Senior High School, Jericho, NY
Sheynberg, David Allan (17) Oceanside High School, Oceanside, NY
Shulman, Ross Everett (17) John F. Kennedy High School, Bellmore, NY
Siddiqui, Bilal Ahmed (17) Wellington C. Mepham High School, Bellmore, NY
Sikavi, Daniel Rahmin (17) Roslyn High School, Roslyn Heights, NY
Slyper, Melissa Beth (18) General Douglas MacArthur High School, Levittown, NY
Sullivan, Jacklyn Marie (17) General Douglas MacArthur High School, Levittown, NY
Vieni, Casey Robert (17) Plainedge High School, Massapequa, NY
Wetzler, Shannon Phelan (17) Kings Park High School, Kings Park, NY
Wu, Alexander (17) Roslyn High School, Roslyn Heights, NY
Wu, David Xiaohan (17) Comsewogue High School, Port Jefferson Station, NY
Wu, Susan (17) John L. Miller Great Neck North High School, Great Neck, NY
Xing, Jesse (18) Ward Melville High School, East Setauket, NY
Yadav, Garima (16) Sachem North High School, Lake Ronkonkoma, NY
Yang, Jeong Yun (18) William A. Shine Great Neck South High School, Great Neck, NY
Yang, Patrick Chongbo (17) William A. Shine Great Neck South High School, Great Neck, NY
Zhou, Jack Jing (17) Ward Melville High School, East Setauket, NY
Not surprising about Bellmore... JFK is a very smart school. If it was 3 or 4 from Mepham, then i'd be surprised.

Plainview JFK had a lot too.

Good job and good luck to all these kids!
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Old 01-14-2012, 06:04 PM
 
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First, hats off to Samantha Garvey from Brentwood.

The LI total is really impressive! Even Westchester has only 14.

Texas actually has 14, which is still low considering their population.

Connecticut has 7, Illinois has 9, Massachusetts has 10, Michigan has 7 and NJ has 9. Wisconsin has only 1!
One single school in NYC, Stuyvesant HS, has 13, more than each of these states and almost as many as TX! Bronx Science has 8.

Here's the complete national list sorted by state:
http://www.societyforscience.org/document.doc?id=333
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Old 01-14-2012, 07:13 PM
 
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I guess, I will be a bit cynical and apologize for that.
But let me say that my comments do not diminish the accomplishments of the people on the list. A prerequisite to be on this list is that the kids are bright and inquisitive.

Let's just say that I have had students (kids who have done the project in my lab) on this list in the past, don't have one this year.

LI has about 20% of the semi-finalists nationwide (61/300); Stony Brook University has supervised the projects for 28 out of these 61 kids, i.e. SBU has produced about 10% of the semifinalists nationwide. These impressive numbers are similar to the ones for the last 5-10 years. Ward Melville is among the top 5 high schools nation-wide that has been producing the most Intel and Siemens semi-finalists & finalists.

What conclusions can one draw from this?

Here comes the bit of cynicism.

No question that these are very bright, inquisitive kids. But in my experience, in >95% of the cases, the win is because there is a lab/research group working for the kid (not the other way around).
Behind the success story and the % above there is a well-oiled operation on LI, and at SBU. Heck, because of the % above, we at SBU get kids from Texas (go figure!) to do their projects here in the summer... At the LI high schools, there are good / well-oriented science teachers that make an effort to secure a spot at the university for their best students and to coach them during the elaborate process of writing all essays and doing all paperwork for these competitions (and there is tons of it). At the university, there are teams of willing altruistic faculty, postdoctoral fellows and graduate students that work to accommodate the students. There is a research group on campus that actually runs this as a business operation - parents pay for the students to participate, in return that group has successful strategies to produce unusually high numbers of these winners (you need to know the system).

Almost all of these kids need major training from the basics - lots of resources spent to bring them to success; they spent a summer (3 mo) in a lab and many continue contact for about a year to complete a project. Scientific discoveries today are made by teams of skilled researchers, and for the most part (sans some serendipitous break-throughs), science is a very slow and often painful process with ups and downs (virtually never a 3-12mo stint even when brilliance is in place ).

The paperwork for these competitions attempts to extract the essence about the student and their work - they probe in multiple ways about the level of independence and ask about how the idea of the project originated and what has the student contributed... Regardless what we write in those papers, in my experience, in >95% of the cases, no matter how bright the kid, the ideas and all critical components come from the university teams. The best kids may participate in brainstorming and provide insight, but they just lack the background and/or time to be major players in these projects (not to mention leaders). Yet, in the media you will see "high school student XY designed a new cancer vaccine" and such.

Over the years, I have had 1 truly outstanding kid in these competitions - he was such an exceptionally quick learner, that we used him for at least 1-2 years after that. But the rest have been just good, nothing out of the ordinary.

Don't have statistics, but I think, only a negligible % of these kids actually go on to become scientists. A huge number go to big-name schools, and a large % become very successful people, they just don't follow the more solitary path of science, which is fine.

I personally look for a spark in the student and genuine interest / passion for the project (not the competition). That's rare. Or maybe I am too idealistic. I definitely avoid taking the students, where is clear that the parents are more eager (and aggressive) than the kid. I also look for students, for whom this may be truly a life-changing experience. The Brentwood girl, regardless how she ended up in the completion, is an inspiration for many. I want more like her to be given a chance.

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Old 01-14-2012, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Wellsville, Glurt County
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LI has about 20% of the semi-finalists nationwide (61/300); Stony Brook University has supervised the projects for 28 out of these 61 kids, i.e. SBU has produced about 10% of the semifinalists nationwide. These impressive numbers are similar to the ones for the last 5-10 years. Ward Melville is among the top 5 high schools nation-wide that has been producing the most Intel and Siemens semi-finalists & finalists.

What conclusions can one draw from this?
Great post, very interesting... and kind of a bummer, LOL - though to be completely honest, I've always suspected there was some kinda system like this running behind the scenes.

And like you said, it's still a great accomplishment regardless... even if we take away the 28 SBU-assisted students that still leaves LI with a very impressive number of 33!

It makes me very happy to see names on this list from lots of regular, middle-class high schools. Mepham, Sachem, Comsewogue, Kings Park, Plainedge... two from my alma mater (MacArthur, in Levittown). The girl from Brentwood is a truly heart-warming, inspirational story. I guess this is kinda mean, but it also makes me happy to see only one name from the world of (IMO) waste-of-money LI private schools

Congrats to all the winners! I know it's not quite on the level of a National cheerleading victory ala Rocky Point, but I'm sure they will all go very far in life.
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:00 PM
 
Location: brentwood ny
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Not too many "Jones" and "Smiths" in that listing. Seems like a lot of children of recent immigrants.

Gee...wonder why
cause this aint Wyoming we do have other races besides german and irish
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