Lindenhurst vs. West Babylon vs. Levittown (Hempstead, North Amityville: to rent, houses, neighborhood)

[LongIslandPerson]

Originally Posted by Taz Crazy

levitown and west babylon are "racially diversified" now and you still see pockets of older italians living in west babylon like elmont.

That's a massive exaggeration. Most of the "diversity" in WB is confined to the part north of the parkway. Not even the part directly south of the parkway is diverse.

But only seeing a few pockets of Italians/Whites in WB is an extreme exaggeration. The majority of West Babylon is overwhelmingly white.

Comparing it to Elmont is actually humorous. Elmont, NY in Nassau County is basically a straight-up Black neighborhood (with of course some pockets Italians here and there).

Map of racial demographics;
Mapping America ? Census Bureau 2005-9 American Community Survey - NYTimes.com

[LongIslandPerson]

Originally Posted by Razor123

I believe middle-eastern and north African count as white.

Most Arabs/Berbers are of the Caucasian race but I can imagine most of them identifying as "Other".

[Razor123]

Originally Posted by LongIslandPerson

Most Arabs/Berbers are of the Caucasian race but I can imagine most of them identifying as "Other".

The census may say "other", but schools don't list students as "other". There only White/Caucasian, Black/African-American, Hispanic/Latino, Asian/Pacific Islander, or Native American/Alaska Native. No "other" or "of two or more races".

[Razor123]

Originally Posted by Taz Crazy

easy: many massapequa residents are moving to lindenhurst.

Good thing there's an equal number of Copiague/Amityville residents moving in as well to balance them out lol.

[Taz Crazy]

Originally Posted by LongIslandPerson

That's a massive exaggeration. Most of the "diversity" in WB is confined to the part north of the parkway. Not even the part directly south of the parkway is diverse.

But only seeing a few pockets of Italians/Whites in WB is an extreme exaggeration. The majority of West Babylon is overwhelmingly white.

Comparing it to Elmont is actually humorous. Elmont, NY in Nassau County is basically a straight-up Black neighborhood (with of course some pockets Italians here and there).

Map of racial demographics;
Mapping America ? Census Bureau 2005-9 American Community Survey - NYTimes.com

Its not an exaggeration. Its what I see with my own eyes. I work in all these towns and I see what makes up the town and I even know who buys or rents.

unless you see what I see on a daily basis, please dont say I dont know anything or Im exaggerating. I am in 5-10 houses a day all across long island and I comment about what I see.

there are plenty of homes in elmont, owned by elderly italians left there, same was west babylon, north of sunrise.

demographics mean nothing. there are 1000's of renters that dont get involved with censuses.

[checkmatechamp13]

Originally Posted by LongIslandPerson

That's a massive exaggeration. Most of the "diversity" in WB is confined to the part north of the parkway. Not even the part directly south of the parkway is diverse.

You probably know this, but this is for everybody else:

North of the SS Parkway is more or less as diverse as south of it. It's just that the demographics are inverted. North of it is mostly Black and south of it is mostly White, with a small number of Hispanics on both sides.

Originally Posted by Taz Crazy

there are plenty of homes in elmont, owned by elderly italians left there, same was west babylon, north of sunrise.

See above. One portion doesn't represent the whole village/hamlet. North of Sunrise is indeed mostly Black (and has the nickname of "West Babandanch")

On a side note, I wonder what caused this phenomenon in the area: North of Sunrise is majority Black like Wyandanch, but it's a middle/upper-middle class area like the rest of West Babylon. Geographically, it's closer to Wyandanch, but by that logic, shouldn't it have the social problems of Wyandanch in addition to the demographics?

[Razor123]

Originally Posted by checkmatechamp13

You probably know this, but this is for everybody else:

North of the SS Parkway is more or less as diverse as south of it. It's just that the demographics are inverted. North of it is mostly Black and south of it is mostly White, with a small number of Hispanics on both sides.



See above. One portion doesn't represent the whole village/hamlet. North of Sunrise is indeed mostly Black (and has the nickname of "West Babandanch")

On a side note, I wonder what caused this phenomenon in the area: North of Sunrise is majority Black like Wyandanch, but it's a middle/upper-middle class area like the rest of West Babylon. Geographically, it's closer to Wyandanch, but by that logic, shouldn't it have the social problems of Wyandanch in addition to the demographics?

Shouldn't Wheatley Heights as well?

[LongIslandPerson]

Originally Posted by checkmatechamp13

You probably know this, but this is for everybody else:

North of the SS Parkway is more or less as diverse as south of it. It's just that the demographics are inverted. North of it is mostly Black and south of it is mostly White, with a small number of Hispanics on both sides.



See above. One portion doesn't represent the whole village/hamlet. North of Sunrise is indeed mostly Black (and has the nickname of "West Babandanch")

On a side note, I wonder what caused this phenomenon in the area: North of Sunrise is majority Black like Wyandanch, but it's a middle/upper-middle class area like the rest of West Babylon. Geographically, it's closer to Wyandanch, but by that logic, shouldn't it have the social problems of Wyandanch in addition to the demographics?

You mean north of Southern State Parkway

[LongIslandPerson]

Originally Posted by checkmatechamp13

You probably know this, but this is for everybody else:

North of the SS Parkway is more or less as diverse as south of it. It's just that the demographics are inverted. North of it is mostly Black and south of it is mostly White, with a small number of Hispanics on both sides.



See above. One portion doesn't represent the whole village/hamlet. North of Sunrise is indeed mostly Black (and has the nickname of "West Babandanch")

On a side note, I wonder what caused this phenomenon in the area: North of Sunrise is majority Black like Wyandanch, but it's a middle/upper-middle class area like the rest of West Babylon. Geographically, it's closer to Wyandanch, but by that logic, shouldn't it have the social problems of Wyandanch in addition to the demographics?

I think the reason why the part north of the Southern State Parkway is very stable is b/c it is mostly zoned for N.Babylon and W.Babylon school districts which are MUCH more stable than Wyandanch school district. The same could be said for Wheatley Hts which gets Half Hollow SD. The reason that section retains so much of its middle class is b/c a lot of middle class want to be in an area with a reasonable school district but still not be in an area where they may not be/feel welcome (and be close to churches, hair salons and other similar things).

It's true that school districts are king on Long Island. The school district is every community's backbone.

[checkmatechamp13]

Originally Posted by Razor123

Shouldn't Wheatley Heights as well?

That's true as well, and the same question applies.

Originally Posted by LongIslandPerson

You mean north of Southern State Parkway

Yes, that's what I meant.

Originally Posted by LongIslandPerson

I think the reason why the part north of the Southern State Parkway is very stable is b/c it is mostly zoned for N.Babylon and W.Babylon school districts which are MUCH more stable than Wyandanch school district. The same could be said for Wheatley Hts which gets Half Hollow SD. The reason that section retains so much of its middle class is b/c a lot of middle class want to be in an area with a reasonable school district but still not be in an area where they may not be/feel welcome.

It's true that school districts are king on Long Island. The school district is every community's backbone.

Makes sense. They're close to a Black neighborhood so they won't have to worry about discrimination or racism, but I guess Wyandanch Avenue and Straight Path keep them isolated from the crime in Wyandanch.

It would be interesting to see if Wyandanch could attract more middle class people (I mean, it's income level now would put it at "working class") if it were divided up among the surrounding school districts. Of course, those districts would have to agree as well, which would be hard.