In the future it will take 30-40 minutes from Central Suffolk to Manhattan (violent crime, credit card)
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As a Grand Central/MNRR commuter I'm not looking forward to even more people at GC. Seems like a bad idea - did anyone do a crowd study? Mind you, they're starting to Penn-ify GC already - just a few weeks ago they put up some cheesey LED advertizing screens in the central hall. Soon there'll be a KFC and a dunkin donuts.
are you a regular commuter via NJ Transit? Most folks I know who rely on it every day aren't quite so complimentary.
I go to Hoboken which is diesel and Electric....so i don't have to deal with the madness of Penn station....
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Well, they're looking at it all wrong. While it maay have issues with equipment, timelieness and value....it IS a way out of Jersey. That alone makes it a wondrous thing to behold.
lol , the New Jersey Transit serves Western Hudson Valley and will be expanded in Eastern PA by 2025....so its more then just Jersey....
As a Grand Central/MNRR commuter I'm not looking forward to even more people at GC. Seems like a bad idea - did anyone do a crowd study? Mind you, they're starting to Penn-ify GC already - just a few weeks ago they put up some cheesey LED advertizing screens in the central hall. Soon there'll be a KFC and a dunkin donuts.
Well GCT can handle the crowds , same with Jamaica and Newark Penn station , New York Penn station can not....and its reaching its breaking point...... There also building new Terminal areas with waiting areas under GCT to handle the LIRR , and New Entrances , same will happen when Amtrak and NJT move into GCT in the late 2020s....which will probably make GCT the busiest station in the US.
Here's the current station usage...all modes added....Regional Rail , Subway , LRT etc , future growth factors in Regional growth , job growth around the stations and Rail projects...some new lines will divert ridership from existing stations and too others...but that list is too big to post here...
New York Penn Station (2010 : 440,600 > 2030 : 390,000)
Grand Central Terminal (2010 : 254,000 > 2030 : 540,000)
Jamaica Station (2010 : 220,000 > 2030 : 170,000)
Newark Penn station (2010 : 90,000 > 2030 : 180,000)
Hoboken Terminal (2010 : 70,000 > 2030 : 120,000)
Atlantic Terminal (2010 : 50,000 > 2030 : 110,000)
Secaucus JCT (2010 : 16,500 > 2030 : 55,000)
LOL , LIRR Fails at everything....while NJT is the king the Railroads...in terms of speed...and by the end of the decade with ridership...those switches at Jamaica are so old....
Well GCT can handle the crowds , same with Jamaica and Newark Penn station , New York Penn station can not....and its reaching its breaking point...... There also building new Terminal areas with waiting areas under GCT to handle the LIRR , and New Entrances , same will happen when Amtrak and NJT move into GCT in the late 2020s....which will probably make GCT the busiest station in the US.
Here's the current station usage...all modes added....Regional Rail , Subway , LRT etc , future growth factors in Regional growth , job growth around the stations and Rail projects...some new lines will divert ridership from existing stations and too others...but that list is too big to post here...
New York Penn Station (2010 : 440,600 > 2030 : 390,000)
Grand Central Terminal (2010 : 254,000 > 2030 : 540,000)
Jamaica Station (2010 : 220,000 > 2030 : 170,000)
Newark Penn station (2010 : 90,000 > 2030 : 180,000)
Hoboken Terminal (2010 : 70,000 > 2030 : 120,000)
Atlantic Terminal (2010 : 50,000 > 2030 : 110,000)
Secaucus JCT (2010 : 16,500 > 2030 : 55,000)
So basically its going to go from something which is quite a reasonable and pleasant experience to a rat race there. ugh.
wait if everyone's working in Manhattan here and actually concerned about this, why are there so many threads about costs? If you work in Manhattan you don't worry about money!
so your perspective is obviously limited at best. Have fun with your videos!
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So basically its going to go from something which is quite a reasonable and pleasant experience to a rat race there. ugh.
Well like i said , the Newer Expansions will come with New Terminals , Seperate waiting areas , and New Entrances to handle to growth. I would be worried or concerned about the already over crowded Lexington Avenue line , which unless the Second Avenue Subway is completed by 2018 / 2025 the line could meltdown.
Make LI a part of Japan, where mag-lev, etc., trains are common and they actually give a ^$^$#)*% about their public, and it could happen.
Japan has higher taxes, stronger government intervention in the private sector, and doesn't **** away trillions on fancy bombs and warships that could be spent building infrastructure. Also, it has extraordinarily high population density, which makes mass transportation far more efficient. None of these things have anything to do with corrupt public sector unions.
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