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Old 03-04-2012, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Dead end - Long Island,
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I can't wait till they hire a lawyer and waste money like so many others have in the past....

It's true, people are stupid and do not pay attention and learn from history but keep making the same stupid endless broken record mistakes
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Old 03-04-2012, 04:02 PM
 
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I really don't know what the big deal is. I have lived under a flight pattern most of my life and barely noticed ever. Back 15 years when the concord used to depart JFK that truly was a spectacle.
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Old 03-04-2012, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Selden New York
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Because grouchy old people need something to cry about.
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Dead end - Long Island,
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I missed watching the concorde, and that was the loudest plane in and out of JFK 2x in each direction.
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Old 03-05-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Sound Beach
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Last week I worked at NY TRACON and asked specifically about the increased usage of the 22's. It comes down to efficiency. 22L does not intersect any other runways, and both 22's have high speed taxiways so they can land more planes per hour. Plus, the 22's are preferred when the wind is from SE to WNW (the most common wind direction at JFK is SW.

It really just comes down to the better business options.
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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Last week I worked at NY TRACON and asked specifically about the increased usage of the 22's. It comes down to efficiency. 22L does not intersect any other runways, and both 22's have high speed taxiways so they can land more planes per hour. Plus, the 22's are preferred when the wind is from SE to WNW (the most common wind direction at JFK is SW.

It really just comes down to the better business options.
Alexie, Operational efficiency is definitely one of the FAA's standard talking points. However they can't just change runway configuration usage without complying with federal law ( NEPA & Clean Air Act) just because they can cram more and more planes into JFK (without any consideration into how it impacts different communities). They definitely did make changes when they went to a 3 runway configuration for arrivals & departures sometime around 2005.

As far as wind direction goes JFK 22L should be used for arrivals when winds are over 4 knots ( 4.60 mph) from 160 degrees (S.S. E) to 247 degrees (W.S.W). However these wind patterns have been constant for decades and would not lead to the significant percentage increase in 22L arrivals. Also NY TRACON & JFK tower will ignore wind speed directions ( and safety) in the name of operational efficiency.
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:03 PM
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I may have asked this in one of the 37 other threads started on this subject, but can anyone cite the exact law(s) being "broken" by the FAA and demonstrate how they are breaking said law(s)? Note that "I demand quiet over MAH HOUSE" is neither a law nor a guarantee when you live minutes from New York City
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Selden New York
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I may have asked this in one of the 37 other threads started on this subject, but can anyone cite the exact law(s) being "broken" by the FAA and demonstrate how they are breaking said law(s)? Note that "I demand quiet over MAH HOUSE" is neither a law nor a guarantee when you live minutes from New York City
Nimby Law lol.
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Old 03-06-2012, 01:20 AM
 
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I may have asked this in one of the 37 other threads started on this subject, but can anyone cite the exact law(s) being "broken" by the FAA and demonstrate how they are breaking said law(s)?
from the FAA website:

"It is FAA policy to investigate citizen complaints of low-flying aircraft operated in violation of the FAR [Federal Aviation Regulations, specifically Title ·14, ·Code of Federal Regulations, Section 91.119 of the General Operating and Flight Rules which specifically prohibits low-flying aircraft], and that might endanger persons or property."

clause b states:
"(b) ·Over congested areas. ·Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2.000 feet of the aircraft."

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Old 03-06-2012, 05:43 AM
 
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Very good! Thanks, DaisyLI.
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