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Old 02-29-2012, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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Did you ever consider the time they take to grade tests, make up tests, create lesson plans (and no you're not allowed to use online lesson plans), take post graduate courses, tutoring, coaching, running after school activities and programs, SAT courses on the weekends, and summer school? Plus dealing with students who have bad behavior.

People think teaching is easy and it's really not, that's why you have to earn a degree for it. You think anyone can walk into a special education class and teach it?

Repeat of what I said: Long Island is said to have some of the best public schools in the country. Do you think having some of the best schools is going to be cheap? Who is going to fund for all the diverse programs many Long Island school districts offer that the "overpaid" teachers teach, the tooth fairy? No, you pay a premium for it. Sure school taxes in other areas of the country may be low, but are the public schools as highly ranked?

I find it funny that Long Islanders always say they have some of the best public schools yet they don't want to pay for it out of their tax dollars. Higher taxes = more and better programs and services
How about we lower the taxes and COL and tell the cops and teachers if they complain they can go work for someone who pays more? (how about NYC? Carolinas? Florida?) People are waking up to the iron grip the unions have on LI. The majority of people I know in Nassau are fed up with the high taxes. We're taking back our Island.

Long Island schools being great has as much to do with the student bodies coming from relatively more affluent, stable households, as it does with the school they are in. Look at all the research and there's no denying that a correlation exists between the two. You are giving no credit to the students and families here. You can take all the kids from Brownsville and put them in Jericho and we'll see how good the schools really are. Teachers have cake jobs here. What most are saying is it should not have to cost this much to run a damn school. We want good teachers. But we don't want to be taken advantage of.

Last edited by Green Irish Eyes; 02-29-2012 at 08:25 PM.. Reason: Rude -- please discuss the topic, not each other.

 
Old 02-29-2012, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by JCNNY View Post
Did you ever consider the time they take to grade tests, make up tests, create lesson plans (and no you're not allowed to use online lesson plans), take post graduate courses, tutoring, coaching, running after school activities and programs, SAT courses on the weekends, and summer school? Plus dealing with students who have bad behavior.

People think teaching is easy and it's really not, that's why you have to earn a degree for it. You think anyone can walk into a special education class and teach it?

Repeat of what I said: Long Island is said to have some of the best public schools in the country. Do you think having some of the best schools is going to be cheap? Who is going to fund for all the diverse programs many Long Island school districts offer that the "overpaid" teachers teach, the tooth fairy? No, you pay a premium for it. Sure school taxes in other areas of the country may be low, but are the public schools as highly ranked?

I find it funny that Long Islanders always say they have some of the best public schools yet they don't want to pay for it out of their tax dollars. Higher taxes = more and better programs and services
Long Island has very good schools but I wouldn't agree that teachers salaries have anything to do with improved scores. If that was the case we would have higher test scores in districts like Central Islip, are the high test scores in Syosset related to highly compensated teachers salaries.
Virgina and other locations have similar scores but lower costs per student.

No one is criticizing the value of teachers, nor are we not discussing more and better programs, we are talking ab bringing teacher compensation and benefits and bringing them back about bringing sosts in line to what taxpayers can afford. Seems like the teachers union is perfectly willing to layoff, go to larger class sizes rather than take a more reasonable approach.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 05:45 PM
 
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How about we lower the taxes and COL and tell the cops and teachers if they complain they can go work for someone who pays more? (how about NYC? Carolinas? Florida?) People are waking up to the iron grip the unions have on LI. The majority of people I know in Nassau are fed up with the high taxes. We're taking back our Island.

Long Island schools being great has as much to do with the student bodies coming from relatively more affluent, stable households, as it does with the school they are in. Look at all the research and there's no denying that a correlation exists between the two. You are giving no credit to the students and families here. You can take all the kids from Brownsville and put them in Jericho and we'll see how good the schools really are. Teachers have cake jobs here. What most are saying is it should not have to cost this much to run a damn school. We want good teachers. But we don't want to be taken advantage of.
The good old American dream these days, we want more for less.

You call teaching a special education class of children with severe neurocognitive and behavioral problems a piece of cake?

Teachers and schools deserve every penny they get. Education is one of the most important aspects of life. Teaching is a service and service helps society. Service workers should make more money than investment bankers or financial analysts IMO.

Long Island got taken away years ago when Nassau County became overcrowded with a population of more than 1 million living on a 245 square mile land mass leading to horrendous traffic. Taxes are one of many problems Long Island faces these days. But that is a whole different topic.

Last edited by Green Irish Eyes; 02-29-2012 at 08:25 PM.. Reason: Edited quoted text
 
Old 02-29-2012, 05:46 PM
 
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Higher taxes = more and better programs and services
No matter how often a lie is repeated, it is still a lie.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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No matter how often a lie is repeated, it is still a lie.
So true. Case in point: Hempstead.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 06:09 PM
 
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So true. Case in point: Hempstead.
Hempstead has a lot more problems contributing to it than the residents pay high taxes and not getting good services.

In an ideal world and theoretically, higher taxes = better services.

I wish my high taxes paid for a college education.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 06:18 PM
 
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In an ideal world and theoretically, higher taxes = better services.
There is a difference between high taxes and grievously higher taxes.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 06:22 PM
 
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Teachers have cake jobs here.
Walk a mile in their shoes. I doubt you'd say the same thing afterward.
 
Old 02-29-2012, 06:39 PM
 
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Are you able to teach special education students with severe neurocognitive and behavior problems? Would you call that easy?

Would you also be able to teach English to someone from a poor, not well educated immigrant family?

Explain to me how there is no work there

Last edited by Keeper; 03-03-2012 at 05:21 AM..
 
Old 02-29-2012, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Teachers and Schools on Long Island DO NOT deserve every penny they get. Get this straight. The Gravy Train is over! We cannot pay anymore property taxes. People are leaving Long Island in droves for other states. Isn't it interesting that other states have good schools and great colleges with lower costs. "Wake up and smell the bankruptcy, honey!"
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