North Amityville - truly unsafe? (Hempstead, Babylon: rent, neighborhood, buying)

[AnthonyNYC]

Originally Posted by John9l0

Well, it's all a matter of opinion weather you feel safer in Amityville or South Jamaica, but there's no denying the fact that South Jamacia is an area that is way more dangerous than Amityville is. Look up both crime stats for both areas on this site and see how they compare

MLSLI.com – Long Island Real Estate – Neighborhood Information

Don't believe everything you read buddy. Here's an example. That useful link shows the crime rate the same in North Amityville the same as living in Smithtown. Hmmmm?

North Amityville is a great area, stroll through with your wife and kids and have a merry ol time. I'm done with this thread.


North Amityville
Crimezip 11701CountyNationalViolent crime risk index2.02.03.0Property crime risk index3.03.73.2

Smithtown
Crimezip 11787CountyNationalViolent crime risk index2.02.03.0Property crime risk index3.03.73.2

[omigawd]

I've explained this on other threads..... the SCPD will UNDER-report crime in high crime areas to give the appearance that they're "winnning the fight on crime" when, in all reality, crimes in these areas are getting worse and worse and more prevalent.

Could you, for a minute, imagine if the TRULY reported ALL crime AS IT HAPPENS in areas like Wyandanch, North Amityville, Roosevelt, etc??? The taxpayers would be up in arms because SCPD get insanely high salaries for doing a whole lot of nothing.

[sean sean sean sean]

The crime statistics Johnl90 posted from MLSLI are for all of Suffolk County, if you look up crime statistics for a house in Hempstead on there it will give you figures for all of Nassau County. There's no way to break down each precinct's reports other than to look at the address of exactly where each incident took place, and I guess MLSLI didn't want to get that crazy....so we're stuck with very misleading numbers.

I don't buy that it's only the bad precincts that are under-reporting, just doesn't make any sense to me. If anything I'd think the wealthy areas are more concerned with a clean police blotter. This argument seems really ridiculous to me any time it's brought up.

[omigawd]

No, Sean... you can go there and input by ZIP code.. the stats he provided were for the ZIP code of the area he was talking about.

I find those stats to be crazy because I just inputed 11798 (Wyandanch) and it says that the median home value for Wyandanch is 378K compared to the rest of Suffolk County's value of 288K... if THAT'S not waaay off, then I don't know what is.... Oh, wait, here it is... the violent crime risk index in Wyandanch is EXACTLY the same as the rest of Suffolk and only 1 point less than the rest of the country.

Makes ya go "hmmmmm?", doesn't it?

As for the "bad" precincts under-reporting... Trust me, they have NO choice in the matter.

The "good" areas don't have to worry because, truly, how much crime actually happens in a place like Sands Point, Cold Spring Harbor, etc????

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by omigawd

No, Sean... you can go there and input by ZIP code.. the stats he provided were for the ZIP code of the area he was talking about.

I find those stats to be crazy because I just inputed 11798 (Wyandanch) and it says that the median home value for Wyandanch is 378K compared to the rest of Suffolk County's value of 288K... if THAT'S not waaay off, then I don't know what is.... Oh, wait, here it is... the violent crime risk index in Wyandanch is EXACTLY the same as the rest of Suffolk and only 1 point less than the rest of the country.

Makes ya go "hmmmmm?", doesn't it?

As for the "bad" precincts under-reporting... Trust me, they have NO choice in the matter.

The "good" areas don't have to worry because, truly, how much crime actually happens in a place like Sands Point, Cold Spring Harbor, etc????

Police precincts don't report median home value, that info is coming from either land transfer records kept by the county, or more likely MLSLI's own listings. In this case, Wyandanch median home value skews way upward because they are judging Wyandanch as a zip code (11798) which it shares with Wheatley Heights and a small part of Dix Hills. Look up the neighborhood profile for Wheatley Heights, it redirects right back to the Wyandanch page. Refer to any Walter Greenspan post for an explanation of why zip codes don't define anything except themselves.

You're right, though - the MLSLI violent crime/property crime numbers aren't for the whole county...my mistake. They're also broken down by zip code, and also skewed because of the inclusion of Wheatley Heights/Dix Hills or just skewed because of some bad math, they don't make sense for a lot of places. I can even buy that police fudge numbers sometimes, but not to the point where Far Rockaway has less property crime than Plainview!

[DonnaReed]

Jamaica, South Jamaica, whatever...

There's so much crap going on in LI. Why do people try to make it out to be some safe and wonderful Utopia?

Give me a break!

Isn't it LI where folks are picketing schools, hooting and hollering about sexual offenders being dumped in their town and two teens were assaulted on their way to school.

(LI has always been notorious for sexual offenders and child molesters. At least we heard about it there more than anywhere in Jamaica or other areas growing up.)

I don't care anything about any stats. I'm wholly familiar with Jamaica, Queens and various areas of LI.

Isn't Baldwin where folks were recently inviting people to see cars and robbing and beating the crap out of them?

Do you realize how many crackheads used to come out to South Jamaica from LI in the eighties to buy there drugs
and still do.

Knock it off with the delusion.

I wouldn't live in an Amityville (and many other areas of LI and no where in Suffolk) if somebody paid me.

Folks talking about dangerous South Jamaica is and how much safer LI is are simply unfamiliar and believing hype (like those hyped up stats).

Pulease...

[John9l0]

Originally Posted by AnthonyNYC

Don't believe everything you read buddy. Here's an example. That useful link shows the crime rate the same in North Amityville the same as living in Smithtown. Hmmmm?

North Amityville is a great area, stroll through with your wife and kids and have a merry ol time. I'm done with this thread.


North Amityville
Crimezip 11701CountyNationalViolent crime risk index2.02.03.0Property crime risk index3.03.73.2

Smithtown
Crimezip 11787CountyNationalViolent crime risk index2.02.03.0Property crime risk index3.03.73.2

I don't believe everything I read chief, I was just trying to provide a source for my claims. I guess it wound up not being that reliable though, my apologies. I never said North Amityville was some suburban dreamland, it's definitely not the most desireable place on the Island to live, it's just that it has a worse rep than it shoud. Like I said before, it's all your opinion weather you feel safer in one area than another, but it is a fact that inner city neighborhoods like South Jamacia have a higher crime rate than a place like North Amityville. It's just that Long Island has a very low crime rate, so a place like North Amityville would seem like the ghetto compared to other towns

[sean sean sean sean]

I'm with John, this is a matter of perspective. If you really want to think of North Amityville as a South Jamaica-level ghetto, I can't stop you. I'd love to know what people on the NYC boards think of that. Maybe we should ask 50 Cent. I'll take my chances on Navajo Trail, you guys can hang out on Sutphin Boulevard. What makes you think there isn't all sorts of grimy stuff going down in Queens that you don't hear about? Race plays a huge role in what makes the front page, look at Long Island: an Hispanic kid got knifed up at the Hempstead HS handball courts a couple days ago, it got a fair amount of coverage but if that was Muffy or Biff who got gutted like a fish playing tennis in Cold Spring Harbor I couldn't even fathom the outrage. Like I said, it's cool though...you can think what you want.

Those robberies in Baldwin didn't involve anyone that actually lived in Baldwin, they were all from Brooklyn and Queens. You can buy crack in Nassau County, no need to drive into Queens, and if you want you can look up where sex offenders live on FamilyWatchdog.us

[omigawd]

Sean, I never said that police precincts report home values.... where do you get THAT from??!?! I was commenting on ALL the information that the link he provided reported and how it's BS and how you can get information on specific neighborhoods..... Sheesh! Did you even LOOK at the information in the link?!??!?!

Dix Hills does NOT share the "11798" ZIP code.. The information reported there is for ZIP code 11798, which covers Wheatly Heights and Wyandanch and the fact that Wheatly Heights shares the ZIP doesn't skew the numbers because parts of WH are simply Wyandanch with a pretty name.

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DonnaReed, I'm with you! Many people on Long Island want to delude themselves into thinking they're living in some high class area, where there's little to no crime, the schools are great, kids can run around and safely play, etc. They refuse to open their eyes and see the reality. They believe that NYC is a dangerous, horrible place and that there are "robbers" lurking in every alley just waiting to pounce on them if they venture outside their little LI bubble. They think that the trees, houses, and open spaces of LI make it a safer place and when they see pictures on television of an "inner city" (whatever the hell THAT is!), that just proves their point! They automatically assume that the entire city is like that when, in reality, there is no such thing as an "inner city" and "television" exaggerates everything.
What I'd love to know is, would any of these LI-ers who claim that places like North Amityville, Wyandanch, Roosevelt, Mastic, etc are safe allow their wives, daughters, mothers or even themselves walk through any of those neighborhoods late at night? I doubt they would!

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John910,
First, there is no such thing as an "inner city" ---- I don't know who created that phrase, but it's ridiculous. And, even if you want to use that phrase, South Jamaica is, by no means, an "inner city". That just shows that you really haven't a clue what you're talking about.
North Amityville has the reputation it does for a reason --- it was well earned. If you believe that North Amityville is on par with anything else, then you're sadly mistaken.

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[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by omigawd

Dix Hills does NOT share the "11798" ZIP code.. The information reported there is for ZIP code 11798, which covers Wheatly Heights and Wyandanch and the fact that Wheatly Heights shares the ZIP doesn't skew the numbers because parts of WH are simply Wyandanch with a pretty name.

If I'm reading my maps correctly, places that have a "Wyandanch, NY 11798" mailing address that are not in the Hamlet of Wyandanch in the Town of Babylon are in the Hamlet of Deer Park and the Hamlet of West Babylon in the Town of Babylon and in the Hamlet of Dix Hills in the Town of Huntington; and, places in the Hamlet of Wheatley Heights in the Town of Babylon have a "Melville, NY 11747" mailing address.