New Suffolk Police Contract (New York, York: sales, crime, to buy)

[dman72]

Originally Posted by Goodnight

The only immediate benefit is the 15% going to healthcare, as stated in the article they won't be hiring for some time so those savings will far into the future. Additionally taking over highway wil escalate costs and the no layoff clause may put them in trouble down the road.

Salary increases of 3-3.5% compunded each year for 2014-2020 will put them in worse shape, they can't afford the escalting pension costs now. Good for 2011-2013 but when 2014 rolls around there will be no new hires, and the salaries and pension increases continue.

But the contract is "historical".

[dman72]

Originally Posted by LIGuyandGal

I'm not going to get into what SCPD or police in general should be compensated, but if I had to take any size pay cut and would still make six figures with or w/o overtime afterwards, I could care less because I'M MAKING SIX FIGURES!!! The only people who would complain about that are those who live well above their means or want to retire by 50. Those who are well paid but complain about not getting more every year either live in a neighborhood where the median house price is $800,000 or buy luxury items that they really could live without (iphones, second homes, $50K cars, boats, mistresses, etc.).

It must be nice to make close to 150K and still have time to do home appraisals on the side.

It's not hard to do with 3 to 4 days off per week.

This contract does nothing to change that, of course.

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by jf13624

I'll start not saying that I am not a Suffolk county cop. Do I think they are paid well? Yes. Do I think they should take a pay cut? Absolutely not. So many of you are saying that a police should not make a living wage. You applaud that they will earn 50-60 k for the first 8 or 10 years. Just keep in mind that the county spends more to house, feed, educate and provide healthcare to those who contribute very little to society. No one ever talks about cutting the cost of these entitlements. Be careful what you wish for. If you want to pay a police officer like a Wal-Mart security guard be prepared for the results. Take a look at Detroit or New Orleans or Camden. Do you think it was the cost of the police that turned these places into Sh*tholes. No, it was the spending on entitlements to people that contribute nothing,which in turn brings in more people that are looking for handouts. This makes the hard working people who are assets to a community decide to leave. Everyone wants in a Utopia but no one wants to pay for it. Like I said be careful what you wish for.

If they are well paid, why don't you think they should take a pay cut. I am not sure what your definition of a "living" wage is, but if you look at the pay demographics for LI you will see that the average salary is far above the median.

This is a discussion of the merits of SCPD Police Pay, not the condition of Camden or Detroit, not sure how that is even remotely relevant to this discussion. By the way a Wall Mart security guard probably makes around $20K per year, no health care, pays into his own pension, no weekend or night differential, no 20 year retirement and can be fired at the drop of a hat. A new police officer will earn about $45K and have quite a bit more in the way of benefits, bad analogy. There will be plenty of qualified applicants for those $45K jobs, don't worry.

[peconic117]

Wow! Looks like your average Suffolk street cop will be making around 200k a year in 2020 with just 150hrs OT. Great job Bellone!

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[BigMike50]

Originally Posted by peconic117

Great job Bellone!

Originally Posted by dman72

But the contract is "historical".

How many people on here know what went on during negotiations The average pay raise was almost 3%(5.8%) for the years 2011,2012 Suffolk will receive 0%

It is historic by the number of years, 12 steps to top pay, staring pay doesn't change, they're going to pay into healthcare and the two zeros with no retro pay. This has never been done before. Also it was agreed to through negotiations rather than arbitration by a judge.

As far as Bellone being in the PBA's pocket is simply not true. He was going to spare them and they were going to be only union in Suffolk County not to pay into there health benefits but the members balked at the idea. Bellone offered 2 retirement incentives this year. No money was involved, but some assurances to keep free medical until at least 2020 were given. He wanted XXX number of members to retired but none agreed. Who wants to retire on a double 0's. A third idea was being kicked around but Bellone was losing patience, so they decided to crush the unborn. The rest can't be displayed on a public board

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by BigMike50

How many people on here know what went on during negotiations The average pay raise was almost 3%(5.8%) for the years 2011,2012 Suffolk will receive 0%

It is historic by the number of years, 12 steps to top pay, staring pay doesn't change, they're going to pay into healthcare and the two zeros with no retro pay. This has never been done before. Also it was agreed to through negotiations rather than arbitration by a judge.

As far as Bellone being in the PBA's pocket is simply not true. He was going to spare them and they were going to be only union in Suffolk County not to pay into there health benefits but the members balked at the idea. Bellone offered 2 retirement incentives this year. No money was involved, but some assurances to keep free medical until at least 2020 were given. He wanted XXX number of members to retired but none agreed. Who wants to retire on a double 0's. A third idea was being kicked around but Bellone was losing patience, so they decided to crush the unborn. The rest can't be displayed on a public board

The plus is the 2 year freeze which many unions have taken and the 15% health care which pretty much every union has gone to and the 12 steps.

The new hire salary freezes is a non-issue for the next decade as is the 12 steps since they will not be hiring and most are at the top end. No change in existing salary levels.

" 1.5 percent hike in 2013. After that, police officers will receive raises “in line with recent arbitration awards” for the remainder of the 10-year contract, Bellone said. That equates to raises of between 3 and 3.5 percent each year"

Yes helps with current budget but raises of over 3% a year for 7 years, then a new contract negotiation, slary levels still excessive.

[Nevar242]

Ballony gave away the store.
Before you comment. Read the entire contract. And figure out how much more the officers will get.
The officers on have just sold out the new officers.

[chetstash]

Declare bankruptcy and void all of the contracts. This isn't sustainable.

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by peconic117

Wow! Looks like your average Suffolk street cop will be making around 200k a year in 2020 with just 150hrs OT. Great job Bellone!

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That seems to be fairly accurate, the base is around $115K now so with raises it will put it around $150K, add in Night-Differential, Holiday, OT and it starts to escalate with the multipliers, not to mention the pensions.

Why in gods name do they need to pay police $7500K in Longevity pay, are they going to leave the job after a few years, shows you the insane contracts.

[peconic117]

Originally Posted by Goodnight

That seems to be fairly accurate, the base is around $115K now so with raises it will put it around $150K, add in Night-Differential, Holiday, OT and it starts to escalate with the multipliers, not to mention the pensions.

Why in gods name do they need to pay police $7500K in Longevity pay, are they going to leave the job after a few years, shows you the insane contracts.

It is. Check out Newsday, it's now the top story. What is interesting though is that 149k base is only for current officers, new hires after 2012 will only get 111k base after 12 years:

New hires will not be eligible for the proposed $149,238 base pay, said Deputy County Executive Jon Schneider. For officers hired in 2013 and later, their top base pay would be $111,506, he said.


In any case this contract hasn't yet been approved by the legislature or the PBA. Wonder if Newsday pushes this story hard enough it will cause enough outrage to derail the contract. Could get interesting.