Aircraft Noise Meeting In Stewart Manor On 8/27/12 (live, flight path)

[Pinuzzo]

When I'm on a plane, my only concern is that we get to our destination and land safely. We should not have to worry over which communities we are flying over. Is it really that annoying to hear an airplane every so often? What about people who live near highways?

[crv1010]

For arrivals the FAA has official "charted approach paths". Most runways have several of these official paths ( VOR/DME, ILS etc). All these official paths have gone through the complete environmental process under the National Environmental Policy Act ( NEPA) and have been in use for decades. These official paths clearly spell out the specific area (s) planes are to fly over, the mandated altitude at each waypoint ( an imaginary spot on the map), and the angle of decent ( 3.12 degrees).

What has been happening now especially for arrivals into JFK 22L is that the FAA has been using on a continuous and on going basis "uncharted visual approaches" . Basically at about 15 miles from JFK controllers are clearing pilots for visual approach". This means that the pilots can fly over any area,basically at any "safe altitude" and at different angle's of decent.

There are two basic reasons the FAA is exclusively going with these uncharted visuals:

1) It allows them to cram in more arrivals per hr into JFK

2) It's less work and requires less controllers for the FAA.

[MobileVisitor09]

Originally Posted by s13

The fact that angry NIMBYs who live a stone's throw from NYC don't want to deal with the horror of airplanes passing overhead is of little relevance.

Good luck with your meetings

I sincerely appreciate your contribution to this thread.

[MobileVisitor09]

Originally Posted by Pinuzzo

When I'm on a plane, my only concern is that we get to our destination and land safely. We should not have to worry over which communities we are flying over. Is it really that annoying to hear an airplane every so often? What about people who live near highways?

I came home late Friday evening after travel, again, to visit my parents in Long Island, and planes were flying overhead from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. every four minutes; the noise was akin to a plane initially taking off from the runway. The house shakes. And no, they are not a 3 minute drive from the airports. My parents live over 30 miles away from JFK and LGA, and, never had an issue to this degree, they've owned this home for over 30 years.

If you are going to change the flight paths and patterns and have over 30,000 additional planes (or whatever the real estimate is), flying over greater spans of Long Island, especially flying incredibly low, (this is the reason for the intense noise), at least inform the public of the plans. Further, try to work out some resolve that benefits all parties involved, and that doesn't burden any one neighborhood or area, regardless of proximity to the airport.

Further, most highways in NYS, particularly LI, are already built, there's little room to grow; you at least knew what you were buying into when you first purchased the real estate close to noisy vehicular traffic. This out-of-nowhere change with the disruptive plane noise is something you have no control over, especially when it was put into effect without the public being properly informed.

[MobileVisitor09]

[quote=crv1010;25913830] What has been happening now especially for arrivals into JFK 22L is that the FAA has been using on a continuous and on going basis "uncharted visual approaches" . Basically at about 15 miles from JFK controllers are clearing pilots for visual approach". This means that the pilots can fly over any area,basically at any "safe altitude" and at different angle's of decent.

This makes me feel safe.

(Typing as monster plane flies overhead and drowns out all other noise for 45 seconds.)

[Pentrazemine]

Originally Posted by crv1010

For arrivals the FAA has official "charted approach paths". Most runways have several of these official paths ( VOR/DME, ILS etc). All these official paths have gone through the complete environmental process under the National Environmental Policy Act ( NEPA) and have been in use for decades. These official paths clearly spell out the specific area (s) planes are to fly over, the mandated altitude at each waypoint ( an imaginary spot on the map), and the angle of decent ( 3.12 degrees).

What has been happening now especially for arrivals into JFK 22L is that the FAA has been using on a continuous and on going basis "uncharted visual approaches" . Basically at about 15 miles from JFK controllers are clearing pilots for visual approach". This means that the pilots can fly over any area,basically at any "safe altitude" and at different angle's of decent.

There are two basic reasons the FAA is exclusively going with these uncharted visuals:

1) It allows them to cram in more arrivals per hr into JFK

2) It's less work and requires less controllers for the FAA.

Aw, this is such horse****. My family has been living in Mineola for over 20 years and the planes have NEVER been flying this low on altitude level as it has recently. The same goes for my neighborhood as well in New Hyde Park. Back in the day when I can remember in the late 80's, to early 90's I could easily have a BBQ with my family without being shredded with constant roaring airplane noises which impedes conversations every 4 min. The night was nice and quiet, it was great.

Is there anyway I can speak to my local legislator or the FAA administration and discuss about reconfiguring the pathways to that so the planes don't have to fly so conspicuously low nonstop? These are residential neighborhoods we're talking about. I can understand if the noise was booming if you lived nearby an airport but this flat-out ludicrous. I didn't pay all this hard-worked mortgage to live with such annoying airplane noise all of a sudden in such a beautiful town.


Is there a way where the aerial administration can alter the route of this uncharted visual navigational plan? It's completely loose and it's not fair for effected towns underneath. Why can't they just selectively use routes that land near the ocean or in more city-like, urban density neighborhoods where loudness is already an inherit factor to everyday life? I've seriously considered moving out to Suffolk due to this horrid noise.

[crv1010]

Pentrazemine, Congresswaomn McCarth is your Congressional representative. Her LI office number is (516)739-3008. her staff is very familiar with the aircraft issues.

[Ex-LI]

I remember when we used to hear the Concorde take off and we thought it was cool.

[azzurrony]

When aircraft are overhead, 10 miles from the airport, and they are flying so low that you can't hear yourself speak, that is a problem. This isn't some NIMBY complaint. When 747's are below 2000 feet over your home (well over 8 miles from the airport) at 1am and they wake you and your children up, that isn't some NIMBY complaint.

This is a serious issue that destroys quality of life.

[agw123]

Originally Posted by azzurrony

When aircraft are overhead, 10 miles from the airport, and they are flying so low that you can't hear yourself speak, that is a problem. This isn't some NIMBY complaint. When 747's are below 2000 feet over your home (well over 8 miles from the airport) at 1am and they wake you and your children up, that isn't some NIMBY complaint.

This is a serious issue that destroys quality of life.

You are 8 miles from the airport..... airplanes cant just drop out of the sky 2 feet from the runway, those are called helicopters.