Honest opinion on Rocky Point/Sound Beach areas (New York, Brookhaven: 2010, house)

[rockypointny]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

I looked it up and even though the 11778 zip code covers that area, it's still a part of Sound Beach. I go by the hamlet/village census maps because even though a post office may bear the name of a certain locale, 99.9% of the time it covers an area that is totally out of it's boundaries. It's confusing, but basically the name on your mailing address doesn't even matter...just the five numbers at the end....so if you live in that particular section you should probably change your name to "soundbeachny"

Hmm. Well all i know is that all my friends that live as far as Oak Hills Drive live in Rocky Point. Any houses listed in that area say Rocky Point and have a 11778 mailing address. If you go to any community websites it's "Pickwick Beach of Rocky Point Ny" and "The Tides at Rocky Point" Hallock Landing Road is definitely not the Rocky Point/Sound Beach border. Everything west of the Shoreham Village line to Babylon Drive is 11778 Rocky Point NY, not 11789 Sound Beach. What you're saying is that an area with a Rocky Point Mailing address, a Rocky Point Zipcode, Past the Rocky Point Sign, and in the Rocky Point Fire District, not Sound Beach Fire District, is Sound Beach not Rocky Point.

PICKWICK'S WATER TEMPREATURE Take a look at the history and the accompanying maps. This is the most western community in Rocky Point, anything west of Pickwick is Sound Beach
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[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by rockypointny

What you're saying is that an area with a Rocky Point Mailing address, a Rocky Point Zipcode, Past the Rocky Point Sign, and in the Rocky Point Fire District, not Sound Beach Fire District, is Sound Beach not Rocky Point.

Yup, nothing on Long Island or really anywhere else in New York State conforms to the actual town/village/hamlet borders. Compare the city-data pages for Rocky Point and 11778:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Rocky-Point-New-York.html
http://www.city-data.com/zips/11778.html

You'll notice the hamlet of Rocky Point also includes areas that are in the Miller Place zip code and that the 11778 zip covers areas of Sound Beach and even a little Shoreham. The member of this board Walter Greenspan posted these LIPA maps awhile back that come straight from the Suffolk County Planning Department, they show what appears to be the identical borders if you don't trust the census maps...scroll down to Town of Brookhaven and zoom in....

http://www.lipower.org/pdfs/company/.../suffolk06.pdf

Why this happens exactly is hard to say, but in the Sound Beach/Rocky Point situation I can guess. That Pickwick Beach site you posted mentions that it was the first permanent residential area developed in the 60s... is it possible that "Rocky Point" was considered more desirable than "Sound Beach" back then (is it now?) There seems to be a lot of politics like that that go into zip codes, though it's also possible that the Sound Beach post office just didn't have the capacity to take on any more addresses back then.

[sean sean sean sean]

Also it appears that city-data.com says Rocky Point schools aren't too hot, is this true? I don't put any stock in these BS internet school ratings, but I'm surprised to see that their test scores apparently aren't as good as all the areas of Nassau that are often times confused for Harlem.

[rockypointny]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

Yup, nothing on Long Island or really anywhere else in New York State conforms to the actual town/village/hamlet borders. Compare the city-data pages for Rocky Point and 11778:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Rocky-Point-New-York.html
http://www.city-data.com/zips/11778.html

You'll notice the hamlet of Rocky Point also includes areas that are in the Miller Place zip code and that the 11778 zip covers areas of Sound Beach and even a little Shoreham. The member of this board Walter Greenspan posted these LIPA maps awhile back that come straight from the Suffolk County Planning Department, they show what appears to be the identical borders if you don't trust the census maps...scroll down to Town of Brookhaven and zoom in....

http://www.lipower.org/pdfs/company/.../suffolk06.pdf

Why this happens exactly is hard to say, but in the Sound Beach/Rocky Point situation I can guess. That Pickwick Beach site you posted mentions that it was the first permanent residential area developed in the 60s... is it possible that "Rocky Point" was considered more desirable than "Sound Beach" back then (is it now?) There seems to be a lot of politics like that that go into zip codes, though it's also possible that the Sound Beach post office just didn't have the capacity to take on any more addresses back then.

I'm sorry but your wrong. No one living in Miller Place has a Rocky Point zipcode, they have 11764. There are no areas in Sound Beach with 11778. Anything with 11778 Is Rocky Point and Rocky Point ONLY. Ask anyone who lives in these areas, your hamlet IS your zipcode nothing else. No one considers Westchester Drive Sound Beach or any of the Tides or Pickwick. Whatever maps are showing you this data are 100% inaccurate. If you have the 11778 zipcode, you live in Rocky Point nowhere else, period.

[rockypointny]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

Yup, nothing on Long Island or really anywhere else in New York State conforms to the actual town/village/hamlet borders. Compare the city-data pages for Rocky Point and 11778:

http://www.city-data.com/city/Rocky-Point-New-York.html
http://www.city-data.com/zips/11778.html

You'll notice the hamlet of Rocky Point also includes areas that are in the Miller Place zip code and that the 11778 zip covers areas of Sound Beach and even a little Shoreham. The member of this board Walter Greenspan posted these LIPA maps awhile back that come straight from the Suffolk County Planning Department, they show what appears to be the identical borders if you don't trust the census maps...scroll down to Town of Brookhaven and zoom in....

http://www.lipower.org/pdfs/company/.../suffolk06.pdf

Why this happens exactly is hard to say, but in the Sound Beach/Rocky Point situation I can guess. That Pickwick Beach site you posted mentions that it was the first permanent residential area developed in the 60s... is it possible that "Rocky Point" was considered more desirable than "Sound Beach" back then (is it now?) There seems to be a lot of politics like that that go into zip codes, though it's also possible that the Sound Beach post office just didn't have the capacity to take on any more addresses back then.

I have reviewed the maps and they are inaccurate. I really don't care who made them, but whoever did got wrong information somewhere. Listen, i have lived in this town my entire life and know alot of people in all different areas of Rocky Point. For someone to display false information and claim it to be accurate when they are unfamiliar with a community is ridiculous. Go to the town of Brookhaven or any other municipality and look at their maps, i'm sure you will see that I am correct and citydata is wrong.

[clamboy]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

Also it appears that city-data.com says Rocky Point schools aren't too hot, is this true? I don't put any stock in these BS internet school ratings, but I'm surprised to see that their test scores apparently aren't as good as all the areas of Nassau that are often times confused for Harlem.

Schoold are very good in RP.

What are you comparing it to?

Rocky Point, NY Malverne, NY Massapequa, NY Bethpage, NY
School Scores
Achievement index
Normalized average of 6 other school scores. Higher number indicates better score 67.53 66.88 69.05 69.7
Elementary ELA score
Elementary school English Language Arts average score 74 74 81 83
Elementary math score
Elementary school Math average score 81 78 83 86
Middle ELA score
Middle school English Language Arts average score 67 62 67 68
Middle math score
Middle school Math average score 68 63 68 69
High ELA score
High school English Language Arts average score 83 84 80 79
High math score
High school Math average score 77 86 78 75


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[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by rockypointny

I have reviewed the maps and they are inaccurate. I really don't care who made them, but whoever did got wrong information somewhere. Listen, i have lived in this town my entire life and know alot of people in all different areas of Rocky Point. For someone to display false information and claim it to be accurate when they are unfamiliar with a community is ridiculous. Go to the town of Brookhaven or any other municipality and look at their maps, i'm sure you will see that I am correct and citydata is wrong.

The maps for the Town of Brookhaven are made by the Suffolk County Planning Department (including the map of the Town of Brookhaven itself) and are the same ones in the LIPA survey. It's not just Rocky Point that has a wacky non-conforming postal code its everywhere else on Long Island too. You can call that area whatever you want though, it's fine by me....no need to get testy about it!

clam - I was going by the city-data.com page that says Rocky Point HS is rated a 63, which is not too good compared to most on LI...and well below the rating for places like Baldwin, Valley Stream and Glen Cove that get trashed on here regularly. Again, I don't put any faith in these ridiculous internet ratings of schools....just thought it was odd that it was ranked SO low.

[rockypointny]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

The maps for the Town of Brookhaven are made by the Suffolk County Planning Department (including the map of the Town of Brookhaven itself) and are the same ones in the LIPA survey. It's not just Rocky Point that has a wacky non-conforming postal code its everywhere else on Long Island too. You can call that area whatever you want though, it's fine by me....no need to get testy about it!

clam - I was going by the city-data.com page that says Rocky Point HS is rated a 63, which is not too good compared to most on LI...and well below the rating for places like Baldwin, Valley Stream and Glen Cove that get trashed on here regularly. Again, I don't put any faith in these ridiculous internet ratings of schools....just thought it was odd that it was ranked SO low.

That's the thing though, there is a conforming postal code. How many times do i have to say Rocky Point is anything with a postal code of 11778 which includes my borders and nothing of Sound Beach or Miller Place. I know that your basing your opinion on City-data.com, which like you said, not everything online is accurate.

P.S. this immediate response was coincidental, I wasn't waiting for a reply all day, I just logged on right after you posted lol

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by rockypointny

That's the thing though, there is a conforming postal code. How many times do i have to say Rocky Point is anything with a postal code of 11778 which includes my borders and nothing of Sound Beach or Miller Place. I know that your basing your opinion on City-data.com, which like you said, not everything online is accurate.

P.S. this immediate response was coincidental, I wasn't waiting for a reply all day, I just logged on right after you posted lol

I don't know what more conclusive evidence I can show you than the maps drawn up by the planning department that is in charge of defining these boundaries...I'm not sure exactly how they can be "wrong" when they are the ones that made them up in the first place, but like I said you can call that area Timbuktu for all I care.

The geographic borders on Long Island really don't make a ton of sense but they are what they are. When I started doing this I started where I live, which I knew best obviously, and thought that city-data.com must be smoking some crack with the stupid borders they had mapped out for Levittown and North Wantagh....so I just did it by what I "knew" was right...now as I've read up on it more and realized how these things really work, I gotta go back and change all of them. A lot of Nassau I really screwed up on because I was stubborn and refused to believe places I'd always knew as one thing were really something else. If you think the Rocky Point/Sound Beach border is silly you should see some of western Nassau...

[rockypointny]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

I don't know what more conclusive evidence I can show you than the maps drawn up by the planning department that is in charge of defining these boundaries...I'm not sure exactly how they can be "wrong" when they are the ones that made them up in the first place, but like I said you can call that area Timbuktu for all I care.

The geographic borders on Long Island really don't make a ton of sense but they are what they are. When I started doing this I started where I live, which I knew best obviously, and thought that city-data.com must be smoking some crack with the stupid borders they had mapped out for Levittown and North Wantagh....so I just did it by what I "knew" was right...now as I've read up on it more and realized how these things really work, I gotta go back and change all of them. A lot of Nassau I really screwed up on because I was stubborn and refused to believe places I'd always knew as one thing were really something else. If you think the Rocky Point/Sound Beach border is silly you should see some of western Nassau...

Even if what you say is true, if everyone that lives in this area knows themselves as Rocky Pointers, have a Rocky Point zipcode and mailing adress, and have Rocky Point on their Community sign, then they live in Rocky Point. We're not talking about how manhasset hills is really New Hyde Park because of the zipcode, we're talking about an area defined by New York State as Rocky Point, Ny on its zipcode. Manhasset Hills is considered a hamlet but is recognized as New Hyde Park because of it's Zipcode. Everyone who lives on Westchester Drive knows themselves as Rocky Point residents based on the Rocky Point Zip code they share with people who live on Nautilus Drive. Maybe I'll change my address to Shoreham village to up my property value, it will just have a Rocky Point Zipcode. You're not going to find someone on Westchester say "I actually live in Sound Beach" ask Joseph Sanseverino, the Director of Community development for Suffolk County, who lives on Westchester, what town he lives in.

P.S Maybe we can ask 50 cent also while we're at it lol