Honest opinion on Rocky Point/Sound Beach areas (Brookhaven, Riverhead: lawyers, house prices)

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by rockypointny

Even if what you say is true, if everyone that lives in this area knows themselves as Rocky Pointers, have a Rocky Point zipcode and mailing adress, and have Rocky Point on their Community sign, then they live in Rocky Point. We're not talking about how manhasset hills is really New Hyde Park because of the zipcode, we're talking about an area defined by New York State as Rocky Point, Ny on its zipcode. Manhasset Hills is considered a hamlet but is recognized as New Hyde Park because of it's Zipcode. Everyone who lives on Westchester Drive knows themselves as Rocky Point residents based on the Rocky Point Zip code they share with people who live on Nautilus Drive. You're not going to find someone on Westchester say "I actually live in Sound Beach" ask Joseph Sanseverino, the Director of Community development for Suffolk County, who lives on Westchester, what town he lives in.

New Hyde Park is a great example of how zip codes don't reflect the borders of anything other than themselves. 11040 covers an area that includes two counties, two towns, one village and at least parts of four hamlets. Since it covers an area in the New York City borough of Queens, and since cities in New York State law aren't subdivided into hamlets and villages or anything else other than neighborhoods, it's easy to see why 11040 doesn't define "New Hyde Park" as anything more than a mailing address. Manhasset Hills is a hamlet with it's own borders unique to it's mailing address, much like everywhere else on LI including Rocky Point.

I would hope Joseph Sanseverino knows that he lives in the Town of Brookhaven, but I wouldn't be shocked if he assumed he lived in Rocky Point because that's what his mail says. The geographical divisions on Long Island are confusing as hell, if people who live on those few blocks in Sound Beach identify more with Rocky Point than that logically makes sense because it happens literally in every other community on Long Island. I don't know what I can do other than show you the maps and try to explain how these things are defined by law...I'm not saying these borders make any sense whatsoever, but they are what they are and I'm going to keep drawing them based off of the information provided by the census bureau and the planning departments/commissions. If you want to call that area Rocky Point, go ahead I'm not stopping you. If you want to sign up for a Wikimapia account and redraw the borders yourself, again I'm not stopping you (although I probably will change them back).

I'm not really understanding why this seems to be such a sore point for you either. I'm not suggesting that everyone who lives there start telling people they live in Sound Beach...I'm just a guy who draws maps on a computer, and in order to keep some uniformity I draw them based on the most definitive set of data available. Do you think I relocated your house somehow by drawing it's location differently than you perceive it on the internet? Is Sound Beach really that bad a place to live?

[sean sean sean sean]

Also.....when I am done mapping everything out on LI I'm going back and adding pictures, descriptions and brief histories of each one and these will all mention the areas outside of each community that are generally considered to be a part of it.

I have to do a lot more driving around, picture taking and research first though...so who knows if this will ever REALLY happen since it's pretty ambitious and I'm pretty lazy

[clamboy]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

New Hyde Park is a great example of how zip codes don't reflect the borders of anything other than themselves. 11040 covers an area that includes two counties, two towns, one village and at least parts of four hamlets. Since it covers an area in the New York City borough of Queens, and since cities in New York State law aren't subdivided into hamlets and villages or anything else other than neighborhoods, it's easy to see why 11040 doesn't define "New Hyde Park" as anything more than a mailing address. Manhasset Hills is a hamlet with it's own borders unique to it's mailing address, much like everywhere else on LI including Rocky Point.

I would hope Joseph Sanseverino knows that he lives in the Town of Brookhaven, but I wouldn't be shocked if he assumed he lived in Rocky Point because that's what his mail says. The geographical divisions on Long Island are confusing as hell, if people who live on those few blocks in Sound Beach identify more with Rocky Point than that logically makes sense because it happens literally in every other community on Long Island. I don't know what I can do other than show you the maps and try to explain how these things are defined by law...I'm not saying these borders make any sense whatsoever, but they are what they are and I'm going to keep drawing them based off of the information provided by the census bureau and the planning departments/commissions. If you want to call that area Rocky Point, go ahead I'm not stopping you. If you want to sign up for a Wikimapia account and redraw the borders yourself, again I'm not stopping you (although I probably will change them back).

I'm not really understanding why this seems to be such a sore point for you either. I'm not suggesting that everyone who lives there start telling people they live in Sound Beach...I'm just a guy who draws maps on a computer, and in order to keep some uniformity I draw them based on the most definitive set of data available. Do you think I relocated your house somehow by drawing it's location differently than you perceive it on the internet? Is Sound Beach really that bad a place to live?

Sound Beach is fine... its a beautiful place to live, but there does seems to be a slight preference/premium for Rocky Point of late.

It's just that that the folks in Oak Hills and the Tides pay 2 to 3 times the taxes so I'm sure they dont want to be considered Sound Beach.
(Oddly enough Scotts Beach doesnt seem to mind being called Sound Beach and that area is about as affluent as Poquott.)

Ask Joe if you have any questions...he's a great guy and a real asset to our community.

C

[rockypointny]

Originally Posted by clamboy

Sound Beach is fine... its a beautiful place to live, but there does seems to be a slight preference/premium for Rocky Point of late.

It's just that that the folks in Oak Hills and the Tides pay 2 to 3 times the taxes so I'm sure they dont want to be considered Sound Beach.
(Oddly enough Scotts Beach doesnt seem to mind being called Sound Beach and that area is about as affluent as Poquott.)

Ask Joe if you have any questions...he's a great guy and a real asset to our community.

C

Clamboy i think you'll agree with me that these areas are indeed Rocky Point. This map could have been created prior to the 60's when rocky point was only the North Shore Beach area, the Terraces, and the old Hallock Farms that covered present day High Cliff Beach (my fave area of RP), yes there were actually sheep pastures lining Rocky Point Landing Prior to the 70's. At this time, where the tides and Pickwick are located today was a lost area, actually formerly part of the RCA property, and was in between the booming summer communities of Sound Beach and Rocky Point. Due to the vacancy of any homes, planners may have chose to consider the area Sound Beach back then, due to it being closer to the Sound Beach town center. Even in the 50's, according to my grandmother, Sound Beach was kind of looked down upon, and Rocky Point was considered more desirable.The Terraces was actually a summer colony developed for New York City Physicians, and was considered vey upper crust at this time as well. When the tides was first developed it was considered a luxury home community, interesting when comparing it to the mcMansions of today, and perhaps the developers chose to calll the area Rocky Point based on the higher desirability. Either way, this area was given a Rocky Point zipcode and Mailing address, therefore it became a part of the Rocky Point community. If these maps claim it is still Sound Beach, they should be changed to reflect the area's zipcode and modern association for the past 45 years with Rocky Point.

[clamboy]

Originally Posted by rockypointny

Clamboy i think you'll agree with me that these areas are indeed Rocky Point. This map could have been created prior to the 60's when rocky point was only the North Shore Beach area, the Terraces, and the old Hallock Farms that covered present day High Cliff Beach (my fave area of RP), yes there were actually sheep pastures lining Rocky Point Landing Prior to the 70's. At this time, where the tides and Pickwick are located today was a lost area, actually formerly part of the RCA property, and was in between the booming summer communities of Sound Beach and Rocky Point. Due to the vacancy of any homes, planners may have chose to consider the area Sound Beach back then, due to it being closer to the Sound Beach town center. Even in the 50's, according to my grandmother, Sound Beach was kind of looked down upon, and Rocky Point was considered more desirable.The Terraces was actually a summer colony developed for New York City Physicians, and was considered vey upper crust at this time as well. When the tides was first developed it was considered a luxury home community, interesting when comparing it to the mcMansions of today, and perhaps the developers chose to calll the area Rocky Point based on the higher desirability. Either way, this area was given a Rocky Point zipcode and Mailing address, therefore it became a part of the Rocky Point community. If these maps claim it is still Sound Beach, they should be changed to reflect the area's zipcode and modern association for the past 45 years with Rocky Point.

Im curious since Oak Hills hooks into Sound Beach.

Good historical; on the property.

We'll see

C

I think Scotts Beach is beautiful.

[clamboy]

Driving into downtown today I passed a sign at Albos that read,
"Explore Rocky Point. Homes available from 199k to 1.3M".

It got me thinking, I feel very lucky to have that much diversity in our housing mix.
You can still start out here, trade up and hopefully retire on the water if you play your cards right.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find anything quite like it on the North Shore of Long Island.

We had out downtown visioning today and it was met with great support from both the local redsidents and the Town of Brookhaven.
There's rumblings of converting a good portion of Broadway and the surrounds to J6 Zoning, creating a "North Shore Beach Blvd" Business improvement District.

If I had extra money to invest in Commercial RE, I'd be all over it.
Downtown Rocky Point is prime to boom once the 2010 Census data hits. This is a very different town economically than it was in 2000.

It's been fantastic journey.

If I got to be on LI...I'm really glad I'm in Rocky Point.

C

[clamboy]

As for slumming in Sound Beach

Id live here in a NY minute.

C


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[lilibrarian]

Ok, RPers. A few questions.
--Why do you believe the school scores are lower for Rocky Point? Be blunt.
--What is the difference between N.Shore Beach/Pickwick/Tides? Would a particular area be considered more desirable?
--Also, if you were going to show someone around RP, where would you take them? What are the streets to hit to get an overall view of the neighborhood?

[NY62]

Just a question no one get upset please. Years ago I remember Rocky point and sound beach being pretty much mastic, shirley north. Has it changed that much? I love the area but was always scared away by the reputation. Obviously the prices are still cheap compared to the surounding area, why? there must be some reason. Real reason please. not that it is a secret.

[clamboy]

Ok, RPers. A few questions.
--Why do you believe the school scores are lower for Rocky Point? Be blunt.

Simple...Economics.
They are about where they should be condsidering the neighboring districts.

Better than Longwood, Floyd,Riverhead

Not quite as good as strong as Miller Place or Shoreham Wading River.

--What is the difference between N.Shore Beach/Pickwick/Tides? Would a particular area be considered more desirable?

Generally Homes are more expensive (and on larger plots...w/ larger taxes) from West to East, howewer some of the most expensive properties in Town are Waterfont in the North Shore Beach area.

--Also, if you were going to show someone around RP, where would you take them? What are the streets to hit to get an overall view of the neighborhood?

I would take Rt 101 from the LIE through the Preserves to 25a
Go East through Downtown RP to Harding rd/MCCarricks/North to Soundview and work my way West form there.The pricetag jumps up once you pass Hallock Landing Road.
My Favorite area is in the Historic District/Culross Dr just west of Hallock Landing.

Tides/Pickwick etc are very nice suburban fare but RP Classic is North Shore Beach


Feel free to PM me

C