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Old 08-30-2012, 07:50 PM
 
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The water heater should cost you no more than $1500 if you go the indirect route.
Really? I'm a licensed plumber and would love to know how you came up with that price!?

Lets review the facts: A Weil Mclain Gold Plus 40 Indirect Fired Water Heater is $1100, then add in a circulator (another $85), valves, copper piping, etc (another $150) and finally single zone switching relay ($75). Lets see, that alone is $1410 and we haven't even discussed aprox 2.5 hours to install (when doing a boiler). AND we haven't even added markup yet!

Seriously, I love it when people who have NO IDEA throw around numbers like they are a professional.

A typical oil to gas conversion in Nassau County for a 2 zone (circulators - not zone valves) system with 115k BTUs, chimney lining, oil tank removal and 40 galling water heater can range from $5.5 to $7k+

Yes, you can find "plumbers" who can do a conversion for $4.5k and ones who can do it for $8k+

In my opinion the difference is the company. For $8k+ I'd expect 24 hour emergency service at 2am in the middle of winter if the heat went out. Yeah, I can call the guy who did it for $4500, but I honestly wouldn't expect him to answer the call at 2am and come out. Oh, were you thinking about calling National Grid and getting a contract with them? Yeah right, read the fine print buddy.

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for (hopefully)
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:45 AM
 
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I am thinking about doing a conversion. I got a quote of 7800 for all(about 6800 after 900 rebates) including a new 50g hot water heater, chimney liner, Burnham 85% burner, tank rempval, handleing paperwork/permits, and also creating one more heat zone for upstairs. Does this seem reasonable? Unfortunately, Nat Grid says the distance is 165 feet, so they are charging an extra 6000 (or 87 per month for 10 years) for the line itself. Is this still worth it? By my rough estimate, it would take at least 10 years just to break even at this total cost.
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Old 08-31-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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Really? I'm a licensed plumber and would love to know how you came up with that price!?

Lets review the facts: A Weil Mclain Gold Plus 40 Indirect Fired Water Heater is $1100, then add in a circulator (another $85), valves, copper piping, etc (another $150) and finally single zone switching relay ($75). Lets see, that alone is $1410 and we haven't even discussed aprox 2.5 hours to install (when doing a boiler). AND we haven't even added markup yet!

Seriously, I love it when people who have NO IDEA throw around numbers like they are a professional.

A typical oil to gas conversion in Nassau County for a 2 zone (circulators - not zone valves) system with 115k BTUs, chimney lining, oil tank removal and 40 galling water heater can range from $5.5 to $7k+

Yes, you can find "plumbers" who can do a conversion for $4.5k and ones who can do it for $8k+

In my opinion the difference is the company. For $8k+ I'd expect 24 hour emergency service at 2am in the middle of winter if the heat went out. Yeah, I can call the guy who did it for $4500, but I honestly wouldn't expect him to answer the call at 2am and come out. Oh, were you thinking about calling National Grid and getting a contract with them? Yeah right, read the fine print buddy.

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for (hopefully)
If you read my post, you'd see that I said the installation on the indirect was included in my price. The $1500 referenced was for the unit only.

I love it when illiterates post on message forums, although they tend to waste the time of people seeking informative posts.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:10 PM
 
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Which company do you recommend?

Did that price range include permits?

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Originally Posted by mikepipe View Post
Really? I'm a licensed plumber and would love to know how you came up with that price!?

Lets review the facts: A Weil Mclain Gold Plus 40 Indirect Fired Water Heater is $1100, then add in a circulator (another $85), valves, copper piping, etc (another $150) and finally single zone switching relay ($75). Lets see, that alone is $1410 and we haven't even discussed aprox 2.5 hours to install (when doing a boiler). AND we haven't even added markup yet!

Seriously, I love it when people who have NO IDEA throw around numbers like they are a professional.

A typical oil to gas conversion in Nassau County for a 2 zone (circulators - not zone valves) system with 115k BTUs, chimney lining, oil tank removal and 40 galling water heater can range from $5.5 to $7k+

Yes, you can find "plumbers" who can do a conversion for $4.5k and ones who can do it for $8k+

In my opinion the difference is the company. For $8k+ I'd expect 24 hour emergency service at 2am in the middle of winter if the heat went out. Yeah, I can call the guy who did it for $4500, but I honestly wouldn't expect him to answer the call at 2am and come out. Oh, were you thinking about calling National Grid and getting a contract with them? Yeah right, read the fine print buddy.

At the end of the day, you get what you pay for (hopefully)
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Old 09-01-2012, 02:24 PM
 
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If you read my post, you'd see that I said the installation on the indirect was included in my price. The $1500 referenced was for the unit only.

I love it when illiterates post on message forums, although they tend to waste the time of people seeking informative posts.
Interesting...You did not clarify that in your original post. FYI - I love it when people blindly quote prices when they have no idea what things cost. I think those people are morons and "challenged".
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Old 09-01-2012, 02:26 PM
 
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Which company do you recommend?

Did that price range include permits?
1. I'd personally ask friends and family for a referral of a licensed plumber they use, then check them out with the BBB and local building department.

2. Permit fees, etc. are generally not that expensive. Typically under $400 as long as your not in a "North Shore Incorporated Village" like Muttingtown, Lattingtown, etc.
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Old 09-01-2012, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Stony Brook
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Interesting...You did not clarify that in your original post. FYI - I love it when people blindly quote prices when they have no idea what things cost. I think those people are morons and "challenged".
Indirects cost $800 to $1500....Why must plumbers rake people over the coals on the price of material? You are getting paid for the install.
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Old 09-02-2012, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Long Island, Nu Yawk
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Indirects cost $800 to $1500....Why must plumbers rake people over the coals on the price of material? You are getting paid for the install.
Suzook, you took the words right out of my mouth.
As soon as I read the "mark-up" line I got angry...some people are always trying to rip the consumer off. I totally understood chetstash's original post and found it funny that Mike got so defensive.
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Old 09-02-2012, 11:42 AM
 
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Suzook, you took the words right out of my mouth.
As soon as I read the "mark-up" line I got angry...some people are always trying to rip the consumer off. I totally understood chetstash's original post and found it funny that Mike got so defensive.
I'm amazed by the mentality of the people of this board. If you go to a diner for breakfast and pay $8 its obvious that the diner is marking up the ingredients. At the gas station, you walk inside and pay $1.75 for a 20 ounce soda which clearly costs under $1.00 wholesale, are you mad at the owner because he is ripping off the consumer? No you aren't. So why can't the plumber mark up his material to cover overheat and provide a warranty/guarantee?

At the end of the day, there will still be people who expect everything for nothing.
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Old 09-02-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island, Nu Yawk
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Did anyone say they wanted "everything for nothing"??? I know a "mark-up" is the price of doing business and I have no problem with that, people have to eat. What I DO have a problem with is the PRICE GOUGING that has been going on with some trades since this recession....heck even before the recession and let's not pretend it's not happening. What's wrong with educating yourself on pricing so the consumer is aware of whether or not they're being taken advantage of?
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