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yes they will add trains but atlantic terminal has a limited amount of capacity and penn is the primary port of entry/exit for riders. service at penn late at night can be problematic at times (hourly on some branches) i can't see them adding trains to every branch out of atlantic.
all i can see them doing is adding a train that terminates at jamaica (skipping nostrand and east ny) after games where you would catch your connecting train from penn. the problem with late nights is those from penn run less frequently so you will be waiting at jamaica for awhile depending on your line. those who use the LIRR will understand what i mean, those who don't (which i imagine could be many current islander fans) can use my previous huntington example of the difference, although i didn't try other stations on mta.info
Atlantic Terminal, while smaller than Penn, isn't tiny. It has 6 tracks. If you wanted to use Penn instead (Pt. Wash. line customers, for example), you can take the 2 or 3 train to/from Penn Station.
Here is the press release about adding LIRR service for events:
I don't think retail at the Coliseum would be the death of Roosevelt Field. We are actually under retailed/malled for our demographics on Long Island which is why you are seeing continuing expansion at Roosevelt Field and Walt Whitman and Roosevelt Field is going increasingly upmarket. I think Simon was more concerned about Taubman building the Mall at Oyster Bay than retail at the Coliseum. I don't think you would see the same tenant mix at the 2 locations, perhaps more of an outdoor lifestyle center type of complex at the Colisuem (ala Atlantic Station in downtown ATL). You wouldn't have Neimans and Nordstrom moving there.
If they build it with respect to retail in Nassau/Western Suffolk, they will come. You might even see some duplicate retailers there but I think the Coliseum site would be much more focused on entertainment than core shopping ala Roosevelt Field. Simon might even be happy as it would drive more traffic to the area.
Roosevelt Field is expanding its dining options and there is no shortage of customers...remember RF draws its customers not only from Nassau/Suffolk but Queens/Brooklyn as well.
I'm not sure if we are under-retailed/malled here...if that were the case, why is Source Mall pretty much a failure? From what I gathered on the plan, there would have been a good amount of retail/dining at the lighthouse which would've definitely dealt a blow to Roosevelt Field and other shopping in the area. I'm not saying RF is the main reason, but I bet they were a major NIMBY behind the blockage. There are real concerns in that area regarding traffic, too. That most likely was the biggest reason for it not happening, and maybe because the Islanders were awful as a franchise?/
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We need to accept it and move on. Come up with new ideas of what to do with the Coliseum and the valuable land there. I really hope they don't put a walgreens and 55+ housing..that would be a travesty.
I haven't read thru the whole thread but I'm wondering how many Islander fans will continue to root for the team in Brooklyn. I'm assuming they will still be called "New York Islanders" because they're still in NY and still on the Island; it's not like the Hartford Whalers moving to North Carolina and becoming the Hurricanes.
Do you also think they will retain their blue/orange colors and logo? Or adopt something akin to the Nets black/white color scheme?
I haven't read thru the whole thread but I'm wondering how many Islander fans will continue to root for the team in Brooklyn. I'm assuming they will still be called "New York Islanders" because they're still in NY and still on the Island; it's not like the Hartford Whalers moving to North Carolina and becoming the Hurricanes.
Do you also think they will retain their blue/orange colors and logo? Or adopt something akin to the Nets black/white color scheme?
Wang mentioned yesterday that the name and colors will remain the same, though one would think the logo gets a slight modification since it currently does not include Brooklyn or Queens
That said, anything can change between now and October 2015 - by then, Wang may have sold the team to Ratner and/or the Russian guy, creating the potential for changes to anything and everything.
Because the caveat and economic furnace that a world class facility and pro sports bring cannot be understated. Brooklyn and Queens are in massive resurgence and revitalization during the worst economic downturn. Suffolk is actually growing. Nassau has eaten itself alive and is now effectively canibalizing the middle class to death. It is PURELY about poor leadership, lack of vision and fear of change. Obstructionism. A lack of understanding about growth and survival. Arrogance and ignorance are a terrible combination and that's what Nassau and ToH have in spades. It doesn't attract business, that's for sure and clearly it can't retain it either.
actually, it gets overstated EVERY time a new arena is built. It's been proven in city after city all over the country. The Nets and thir new arena were a smokescreen plain and simple. Ratner had little interest in pro sports or anything else besides all of the other development that was to take place in the area. Wang had the same plan in Nassau only it didn't get done. Once the Lighthouse went bye bye and the plans were reduced to just the arena, Wang wasn't in such a hurry to pay anymore. Yes Murray screwed everyone by killing the lighthouse, but I don't blame the voters one bit for killing Mangano's plan.
Plenty of Ranger fans in Suffolk jump on the train to Penn on a regular basis. quote]
The only issue is that the games end at what around 10ish? At Penn, you can still catch a train to your individual line (or transfer at Jamaica with reasonable time) even though off peak, late night service is much more infrequent. At Atlantic Terminal, you will have to change at Jamaica unless you are maybe on the Far Rock/Hempstead branch AND possibly wait a good amount of time for your connecting train as they will not all be timed to arrive at Jamaica from Penn at the same time. Folks are not going to want to wait maybe up to 20 minutes at Jamaica for their connection.
Say the Islanders game ends at 10, you get out of the arena at 10:15ish. There is a 10:28 train at Atlantic. You have 2 options (both of which involve a change at Jamaica). Leave Atlantic @ 10:28, arrive Huntington at 11:49. Transfer at Jamaica and another transfer at Hicksville. Total travel time 1 hour, 21 miuntes and 2 transfers. Yikes. Or arrive at Huntington at 12:13 AM with only one transfer at Jamaica. Total travel time 1 hr, 45 mins.
contrast that to a ranger fan who can catch a 10:22 train out of Penn, which arrives in Huntington at 11:27 with no change at Jamaica. Total travel time - 1 hour, 5 mins and no transfer.
This will be a huge problem for the Islanders if they are going to tout the transportation hub as a good way for Long Islanders to get to a hockey game....I can see the LIRR beefing up service to/from Jamaica for hockey games but I don't know if they would retime all the connections from Penn.
I know someone who went to the Barclay from Wantagh, change at Jamaica, well over an hour and $16.50 and could go to almost 2 hours depending on the timing. The LIRR is losing money, I don't see them changing their schedule drastically for a few fans, around 10,000 total fans if they are lucky, how many are going to be on any of the individual LIRR lines.
This mall virtually replaced the fortunoffs mall and added some more stores, it will add traffic but not even close to the proposed lighthouse project.
Difference is, the new mall creates traffic 7 days a week while the islander games were a few times a week and seasonal. They will develop something more at the source location and it will be worse.
so then whey bring up the train fare as an issue if you're already used to it?
Someone else brought up train fare; I indicated what it would be in my situation because expense might be an issue for Isles fans whose family is of the same size, but whose budget is not.
actually, it gets overstated EVERY time a new arena is built. It's been proven in city after city all over the country. The Nets and thir new arena were a smokescreen plain and simple. Ratner had little interest in pro sports or anything else besides all of the other development that was to take place in the area. Wang had the same plan in Nassau only it didn't get done. Once the Lighthouse went bye bye and the plans were reduced to just the arena, Wang wasn't in such a hurry to pay anymore. Yes Murray screwed everyone by killing the lighthouse, but I don't blame the voters one bit for killing Mangano's plan.
I don't think it was total smokescreen- Wang was pretty clear what he wanted to build, and while he did/does own the team, his real interest was in money making and business development.
Mangano's plan was a bad one on paper- but I think it was an important move to show the voters they ultimately would make the decision. Polls said in the past LI residents favored the Lighthouse plans, far more than just redoing the Coliseum at their own cost.
He can go back in campaigning and say, I tried. I was pro-development.
ToH is to blame. The taxes on the Isles 60m revenue should be taken from their paychecks.
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