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Old 10-24-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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no it falls squarely on the crook wang..and his THREATS...remember he has been threating about Kansas city for 5 years
Nobody affiliated with the Islanders has mentioned a word about Kansas City since the exhibition game was played there, which was three years ago.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Thats like asking who killed JFK lol. Palm greasing I would imagine.
I meant how were they going to lose money.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Former LI'er Now Rehoboth Beach, DE
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This falls squarely at the feet of Kate Murray.

Not saying I am a fan of Mangano, but this fiasco is not of his making.

I disagree one thousand percent and I live in TNH so kate has no bearing on me in other matters. This was put up for a vote and it was soundly defeated by the residents. I am not saying that politics had no role in this but Wong said he would not play here beyond the current contract, if he did not get a new arena. So, no new arena = tata Islanders.

I am not a political apologist but I truly believe there is enough blame to go around that to place it all on Kate Murray is inaccurate.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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I disagree one thousand percent and I live in TNH so kate has no bearing on me in other matters. This was put up for a vote and it was soundly defeated by the residents. I am not saying that politics had no role in this but Wong said he would not play here beyond the current contract, if he did not get a new arena. So, no new arena = tata Islanders.

I am not a political apologist but I truly believe there is enough blame to go around that to place it all on Kate Murray is inaccurate.
You are missing the beginning of the story.

Kate Murray was the one who opposed the original Lighthouse Project, for which the DEVELOPERS would pay all the costs for the coliseum, not the taxpayers. Repeat, 0% on the backs of the taxpayers.

THEN after she defeated that, they came sniffing around to make the taxpayers pay for a coliseum (without any of the additional enhancements of the Lighthouse Project naturally). 100% on the backs of the taxpayers.

Who else do you consider being to blame?
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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that's an out right lie....appartently your anti murray blinders are on

the zoning has been around a lot longer than murray
Incorrect. ToH actually CHANGED the zoning to allow parts of the project. Murray herself said "we fast tracked the process that usually takes MUCH longer to change the zoning..."

However, they intentionally changed the zoning to effectively CRIPPLE the project and make it non-feasible for the developer. It was the usual Hempstead Town tactic. They create a path to do it exactly the way they choose and when the developer says "that's ridiculous" ToH says "well, we did our part." OR the developer tries another way and ToH ties it up in variance battles for years, also effectively killing the project.

It's not new. They've made an art of killing the deal.

For the record NCCC and Hofstra were in complete support of the project. So much for infrastructure worries.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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No. You're wrong. She made a specific new zoning plan to deal with the Lighthouse Project.

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Conversations about development around Nassau Coliseum first began in earnest in 2003. After Wang officially unveiled the project at a September 2004 news conference, his first stop in the approval process was Nassau County government, because the Coliseum and the land around it are owned by the county and he would need a lease to build on it.

Nassau County legislature Peter Schmitt recalled feeling uneasy about the lack of specifics in the plan. And he said he left Wang with a warning about the review process: "I told him, 'You have no idea what you're getting into.' "

In September 2005, Wang threw down his own marker at a breakfast of business leaders. "This is not a Suozzi project, it's not a D'Amato-Mondello project, it's a Wang project," he said, referring to Nassau County Executive Thomas Suozzi, a Democrat, and County GOP chairman Joseph Mondello

In 2005, county officials (Suozzi) threw a monkey wrench into Wang's plans by putting out a request for proposals, or RFP, to let other developers bid on the land, even though Wang was the owner of the Islanders.

In late 2007, armed with his successful RFP and a designated developer agreement, Wang took his Lighthouse to Hempstead Town, which would have to create a new zone to accommodate the mixed uses of the project. ................

murray DID NOT change the zoning...she KEPT the zoning which need to be changed for the crying wang.....
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:56 PM
 
Location: East Northport
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The end result of NIMBYism. The coloseum will not survive long without a sports team to anchor it. Eventually, it will close, become an eyesore, and be demolished. Then, the land will sit vacant for years and years, until eventually another megamall is built. What a shame.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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I disagree one thousand percent and I live in TNH so kate has no bearing on me in other matters. This was put up for a vote and it was soundly defeated by the residents. I am not saying that politics had no role in this but Wong said he would not play here beyond the current contract, if he did not get a new arena. So, no new arena = tata Islanders.

I am not a political apologist but I truly believe there is enough blame to go around that to place it all on Kate Murray is inaccurate.
As Love It pointed out. You came in in the middle of the movie. The $400m vote only came about a year or so AFTER the Lighthouse Project was killed. It wasn't voted on. It was effectively blocked by Town of Hempstead. It had the backing of NCCC, Hofstra, Nassau County and the State. The vote was a setup to allow Wang and Rechler to move on. Mangano knew it was dead in the water, but what could he do. Had to try. Wang even said nice things about Mangano at the press conference today and that he "would still maintain dialogue with Nassau" which was just a way of saying "Sorry Ed, good luck with that Hub. You're gonna need it!"
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Who else do you consider being to blame?
wang and the loser islanders


take the boxing match (oh I mean hockey) and go to canada
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:04 PM
 
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wang and the loser islanders


take the boxing match (oh I mean hockey) and go to canada
So there it is. Typical. Stupid, but typical.

Take the hockey, the boxing, the Disney on Ice, the concerts, the circus and everything else and send them to Canada.

.....but give us manufacturing jobs. Because we're business friendly! hahahahahahahahahahaha
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