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Old 01-29-2013, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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My guess is you won't get any relaible statistics on prescription substance abuse.
Here's some interesting data:

The Opioid Analgesic Epidemic: How it Happened

Here's an article about the doctor that "led the charge" to more widely prescribe opioids for non-fatal, non-cancer pain and how he now REGRETS ever doing so and admits he was wrong due to widespread addiction. If you have a Wall St. Journal subscription, see this article. I can only post a snippet here, but you can watch the video without a subscription. I can also DM anyone the text of the article if they are interested:

A Pain-Drug Champion Has Second Thoughts - WSJ.com

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A Pain-Drug Champion Has Second Thoughts
By THOMAS CATAN and EVAN PEREZ

Two decades ago, the prominent New York pain-care specialist drove a movement to help people with chronic pain. He campaigned to rehabilitate a group of painkillers derived from the opium poppy that were long shunned by physicians because of their addictiveness. ... Now, Dr. Portenoy and other pain doctors who promoted the drugs say they erred by overstating the drugs' benefits and glossing over risks.
This website also has some very interesting information on prescription opioid drug abuse:

Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing (PROP)
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:49 PM
 
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Not denying that this is a big issue right now, but I'm curious if the local precincts are seeing an increase or decrease in opiate related crimes, OD's, etc. This has been in the news for some time on LI....I wonder if it's getting worse or if things have gotten any better due to increased awareness. For example, the Natalie Ciappa story (which got major coverage) was nearly five years ago. If things are still getting worse, well that's pretty scary.
It's getting worse but the police don't do much but deal with the symptoms. Even the stats don't show it because these offenders are often first timers, or since they are young get easily offered diversion sentences so if they go to rehab and stay out of trouble for 6mos or 1 yr, it stays off their record ie no conviction. For some it wakes them up, for others it's a revolving door and they don't hit the numbers until they do something really stupid like hurt someone during a crime, get caught dealing or die.

One thing that would help is to treat these kids like real offenders and do a little Zero Dark Thirty on them (mostly joking of course but you know what I mean) to help bust up these gangs of dirtbags who are bringing it in from East New York and the Bronx. The Taliban isn't shipping heroin to LI. It's coming from the city. Unless the gang kids are shooting each other in the street, LE doesn't seem to do much.

The legal pills are a whole different issue but busting dirtbag docs is a good start. Like dman was saying, I feel like a slimeball and get interrogated to the nth degree when my doc gives me 10 vicodin in a month for a legitimate hockey injury. These other shmoes are getting hunderds and thousands of pills in a few months from multiple docs, no questions asked. Some even with insurance.

edit: heck, some even with MEDICAID!
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Your post is spot on and said politely and eloquently. Hysterically unfunny that the usual "LI is awesome" rah rah crowd are the 1st to jump in and attack you. How soon they forget the slaughter at Haven Drugs, the 2 (and more in the pipeline) doctors in jail for mass illegal distribution of opioids. I know 3, count 'em THREE kids in their twenties from good homes in good areas who died of OD's in the last 2 years (1 just back from Afghanistan).

That guy propped up on the pole wasn't drunk. He was on the nod. Drunks fall down. Junkies lean.

The key problems are that opioid prescription abuse is an epidemic nation wide. Every tom, dick and sally in physical therapy with back pain is likely also getting prescribed pain meds. These wind up with the kids. No syringe needed and easy to pass and smuggle. Ultimately you need too many and they are EXPENSIVE
($30+ up for ONE 40mg pill) when bought illegally on the street. However, HEROIN is now strong enough to snort without having to shoot and it's CHEAP ($10 bucks) and plentiful (thank you, oh retarded and bogus War on Drugs!). Ultimately tolerance is built up and the next step in the progression is shooting it.

Ask anyone in the mental health/addiction field how the demogrpahic of rehabs and treatment centers has changed. What used to be mostly adult drug abusers and repeat DWI offenders mandated by the court is now 90% patients from 18-25 with opiate addictions. That is FACT. How did a lot of them end up in rehab?! Busted for non violent criminal offenses JUST LIKE THE OP SAID and sent to diversion programs which is rehab, counseling, etc instead of jail.

As usual, the biggest problem on LI (and confirmed by the 1st knee jerk responses) is when there is a problem, pull the shades, hide, deny it, pretend it doesn't exist and of course, accuse the attacker of being negative. Typical, predicatable and sad.
Mongoose, if Stony Brook/Setauket is as this fellow (who left 5 years ago) paints it, your neck of the woods is one snort away from becoming Terrace Ave in Hempstead. KWIM?

The OP is growing up and now noticing things that were under his nose 5 years ago, that he choose not to see then with his HS eyes. Or the OP feels rather cosmopolitan today and would rather look down his nose at the mundane and provincial suburbs.

Yes, there have been break-ins in the area. The dirtbags who have been caught to date are from south of the area: Selden, Coram, Centereach; they aren't home grown. Could it be that there are Oxy addicts in other areas of Long Island who figure wealthier areas will have better goods to fence?

The OP uses the term 'home invasionS' There has been exactly -- are you sitting down -- ONE. Can we say exaggeration? This crime wasn't random. The POS who was responsible for this crime KNEW the family through their son and targeted them. BTW -- the POS was from East Moriches.

Yes, Oxy and Heroin are a problem ALL over LI. My friend's pharmacy in a nicer part of the Town of Huntington has a revolving door of characters from NYC coming in trying to fill their Oxy prescriptions. They refuse to fill for anyone who lives more than a certain number of miles away. He was assaulted by an addict who he refused to fill for.

Yet this isn't exclusively a Long Island problem or a new one. It just happens to be getting more attention now as parents and the public become better informed, as we see an increase in incidents across LI, and read more/see more in the news. If anything, I don't believe people are sticking their head in the sand.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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The OP uses the term 'home invasionS' There has been exactly -- are you sitting down -- ONE. Can we say exaggeration? This crime wasn't random. The POS who was responsible for this crime KNEW the family through their son and targeted them. BTW -- the POS was from East Moriches.
I'm sorry "Home invasions" was probably the wrong term to use, as it sounds a lot more intense than what I was aiming to convey. Obviously the case with the guy from East Moriches is one of the most disturbing stories I've heard regarding the town EVER. Definitely not a "petty crime" as I had labeled in the OP.

I should've just said simple burglaries/robberies. Perhaps the homeowners will be out of town, and return to a porch door forced open with plenty of stuff missing. And these types of incidents have been happening frequently, as they do all over the island of course.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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Mongoose, if Stony Brook/Setauket is as this fellow (who left 5 years ago) paints it, your neck of the woods is one snort away from becoming Terrace Ave in Hempstead. KWIM?

The OP is growing up and now noticing things that were under his nose 5 years ago, that he choose not to see then with his HS eyes. Or the OP feels rather cosmopolitan today and would rather look down his nose at the mundane and provincial suburbs.

Yes, there have been break-ins in the area. The dirtbags who have been caught to date are from south of the area: Selden, Coram, Centereach; they aren't home grown. Could it be that there are Oxy addicts in other areas of Long Island who figure wealthier areas will have better goods to fence?

The OP uses the term 'home invasionS' There has been exactly -- are you sitting down -- ONE. Can we say exaggeration? This crime wasn't random. The POS who was responsible for this crime KNEW the family through their son and targeted them. BTW -- the POS was from East Moriches.

Yes, Oxy and Heroin are a problem ALL over LI. My friend's pharmacy in a nicer part of the Town of Huntington has a revolving door of characters from NYC coming in trying to fill their Oxy prescriptions. They refuse to fill for anyone who lives more than a certain number of miles away. He was assaulted by an addict who he refused to fill for.

Yet this isn't exclusively a Long Island problem or a new one. It just happens to be getting more attention now as parents and the public become better informed, as we see an increase in incidents across LI, and read more/see more in the news. If anything, I don't believe people are sticking their head in the sand.
I don't think "people" are sticking their heads in the sand. It was a dig at the same 3 "ahem...friends of mine" who make the same snarky attacks (and get me riled enough to get sent willingly to CD jail).

Frankly, I don't know about Suffolk beyond generalities but it is weird how Nassau is affected. Really just pockets. Massapequa particularly bad. Maybe there was a direct correlation to that doctor, who knows. LI is small townie enough that if one kid gets the right/wrong connection, it will spread pretty quickly. Of course, heroin in New Cassel doesn't get much press. Dope in Massapequa and 24 yr olds filling the funeral homes gets serious press as it should.

Let's not even start with how many elderly or plain old working stiffs are hooked on pain meds. THAT is the real epidemic. LI kids on heroin is a just a scary and becoming more frequent symptom of the national opiate problem.

I frankly don't believe there was only one home invasion on LI but that is really just a hyped up media title anyway. Home many B&E's were there and how many had occupants at home? How many burglaries. I don't know the answer and the economy is just as likely a reason as drugs generally, but for 17-25 year olds?
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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It is a little worse on LI as prescription abuse is more of a "white" (for lack of better description) or "suburban" (ok, better word) drug problem. In fairness we don't have a meth epidemic (yet) that has swept most of the West and South. We do have a major opioid problem. Who ever thought we'd be finding used syringes ANYWHERE on LI? Like I said in the other thread, decline comes slowly, but it eventually arrives if nothing is done. The drug issue is a REALLY complicated one.

Drug use (weed, huffing) among young people has generally declined in the last 20 years but opiate use has risen a great deal and heroin has effectively left the ghetto and taken up roots on Main St where it was never seen before (to be fair, it's being transported FROM the ghetto to Main St). I never DREAMED of worrying about my kid buying heroin in school but it's here. That should scare the heck out of us.

If you question what is happening, go visit South Oaks and see what the patient demographic looks like. That and the fact that there is a hefty and growing demand for adolescent rehab beds.
I'm kind of wondering about this. Meth has been around all over the country for awhile now, and we still don't have much of it here. We've been waiting for that "yet" for a long while now. I've honestly only heard of it being used in the gay community when it comes to LI. I wonder if its because the drug gangs that sell cocaine and crack keep it out, the gangs that make and sell meth just don't come here, or if LI'ers are just not into it ... Not to complain that something in the spectrum of drug abuse is missing from LI, just something I've wondered about.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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I'm kind of wondering about this. Meth has been around all over the country for awhile now, and we still don't have much of it here. We've been waiting for that "yet" for a long while now. I've honestly only heard of it being used in the gay community when it comes to LI. I wonder if its because the drug gangs that sell cocaine and crack keep it out, the gangs that make and sell meth just don't come here, or if LI'ers are just not into it ... Not to complain that something in the spectrum of drug abuse is missing from LI, just something I've wondered about.
Cops: Alleged Meth Lab Fire Was Isolated Incident - Three Village, NY Patch

Thankfully it's an isolated incident, and is not really a problem on LI.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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I don't think "people" are sticking their heads in the sand. It was a dig at the same 3 "ahem...friends of mine" who make the same snarky attacks (and get me riled enough to get sent willingly to CD jail).

Frankly, I don't know about Suffolk beyond generalities but it is weird how Nassau is affected. Really just pockets. Massapequa particularly bad. Maybe there was a direct correlation to that doctor, who knows. LI is small townie enough that if one kid gets the right/wrong connection, it will spread pretty quickly. Of course, heroin in New Cassel doesn't get much press. Dope in Massapequa and 24 yr olds filling the funeral homes gets serious press as it should.

Let's not even start with how many elderly or plain old working stiffs are hooked on pain meds. THAT is the real epidemic. LI kids on heroin is a just a scary and becoming more frequent symptom of the national opiate problem.

I frankly don't believe there was only one home invasion on LI but that is really just a hyped up media title anyway. Home many B&E's were there and how many had occupants at home? How many burglaries. I don't know the answer and the economy is just as likely a reason as drugs generally, but for 17-25 year olds?
I have older relatives (out of state) that are afraid of the media-hyped home invasions. I tell them over and over again that 99% of the home invasions are from people you know, and often the victims of home invasions are criminals themselves or have something criminals want. Home invasions, where they NEED the occupants to be home so they can torture the location of goods out of them, most often happen to people who keep drugs in their homes (usually drug dealers), have a lot of cash in their homes (including business owners who have a safe in their home), have a lot of weapons in their homes ... and who have other people that KNOW this stuff is in their home. They are targeted, either by relatives, friends, or employees. When a "regular person" gets hit by a home invasion it is often a mistake, the wrong house was hit, or, in the media bogeyman bonanza, it is sadistic and violent individuals ... but that's very rare. Like Manson Family rare.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Cops: Alleged Meth Lab Fire Was Isolated Incident - Three Village, NY Patch

Thankfully it's an isolated incident, and is not really a problem on LI.
TY for the article!!! Do you think meth labs are more of a problem on LI than the police interviewed in this article think?
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Long Island Oxycodone Prescriptions up 82% in 3 years as of 2012!

^ That is going to be manifested in one way or another in our communities. As Mongoose pointed out earlier, these things are expensive, and with the tolerance factor, some people are on multiple pills a day. How else do you support a habit that costs hundreds of bucks a day/week other than stealing, and looting peoples crap, hence all the break ins. Eventually when that goes south, they simply just start dealing the stuff to do it for free, and perpetuating this evil cycle.
I'm not saying this it the Bronx or something, where you have junkies roaming Main St. and panhandling, but prescription pills aren't crack either, and the face of this epidemic is COMPLETELY different. As pointed out, think 18-25 + White from a good family.

Back up your 82% stats, please.

The only thing I've found (which turned out to be an interesting article) is the following, which was written about 1 year after the Medford Pharmacy murders:
Opiate Obession | Combating the prescription drug epidemic on Long Island
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Prescriptions for Oxycontin increased in Nassau County by 42 percent from 2008 to 2010 & increased in Suffolk County by 23 percent.
Then there's this interesting tidbit which speaks of legal narcotic usage:
http://www.incb.org/documents/Speech...g_26072012.pdf
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In 2010, for example, morphine use in the United States of America, which contains 5 per cent of the
world population, accounted for 55 per cent of global consumption, while overall oxycodone use
accounted for 80 per cent and fentanyl use 37 per cent of global licit consumption.
At 5% of the global population, the USA is consuming 80% of the oxycodone.

As for 'all the break ins' there was a rash of them in Nov/Dec which appear to have dropped off. It could very well have been dopers or it could have been people desperate for money for other things -- like the holidays, heating oil, food, etc. You have to bear in mind that the economy still sucks and when times get desperate...
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