Please Help Me w/ LI Schools (Hempstead, Oyster Bay: homes, school districts, colleges)

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by clamboy

I dunno Sean.

Im not sure if I agree on that one...I think Beehave is right.
"There's one problem with this data -- while it tells you the number of students who scored above 85, it doesn't take into account the number of students who took the exam."

Obviously the smaller the district the greater the success if you not accounting for how many students took the test.
I was not aware of that.

Thats why in Suffolk the Hamptons districts are way up and the larger districts like Longwood are way down.
It makes perfect sense to me.Thats very unfair.

Nassau runs much smaller districts so that skews the overall numbers even worse as you compare the two.
(I thought Suffolks population surpassed Nassau years ago...no?)

Is there a better measuring stick then this?
This ones effed brother.

How about Regents Diploma Graduates separated by county?
Or Free Lunch % etc.

Thank you for your effort on this.

C

Suffolk's population is higher, but only by about 5% - but Suffolk also has nearly three times the amount of land. That means the population density is higher in Nassau....specifically there are 4,655 people per square mile (on average) in Nassau versus 1,556 people per square mile (on average) in Suffolk, that's the reason Nassau districts are more confined to any given area. I think there were 57 Suffolk County high schools and 56 Nassau County in total, which would mean there's actually more students per district/school in Nassau.

I'm guessing a district like Longwood (which I'm not familiar with at all) covers an area that has parts nice and parts not so nice, and that's why you're saying the test scores may be skewed? I guess that's not fair to the smart kids at any given school, but the numbers aren't fudged or misrepresented. That's what you get for living out in the boonies! (KIDDING!!!) I'll always say (and am saying now) I don't think these test scores really matter one iota as to what kind of education you're going to get -- these don't even take math scores into account -- but they aren't biased one way or another, they are what they are...though the more I think about my limited knowledge of some of these districts, I'm thinking these are actually a pretty good indicator with some obvious anomalies.

I could do free lunch by school, and I think Regents diplomas....although, if I'm doing county vs. county (outside of districts) then the numbers WILL be slightly skewed since it's not taking into account actual numbers of students per district....

[clamboy]

Hi Sean

I'm not entrely sold that an area thats smaller than Brookhaven needs that many schools.

Thats very boutique.
Its like they surgically removed the poverty and pooled in into a few districts.

Do whatever looks the purest.

C

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

Suffolk's population is higher, but only by about 5% - but Suffolk also has nearly three times the amount of land. That means the population density is higher in Nassau....specifically there are 4,655 people per square mile (on average) in Nassau versus 1,556 people per square mile (on average) in Suffolk, that's the reason Nassau districts are more confined to any given area. I think there were 57 Suffolk County high schools and 56 Nassau County in total, which would mean there's actually more students per district/school in Nassau.

I'm guessing a district like Longwood (which I'm not familiar with at all) covers an area that has parts nice and parts not so nice, and that's why you're saying the test scores may be skewed? I guess that's not fair to the smart kids at any given school, but the numbers aren't fudged or misrepresented. That's what you get for living out in the boonies! (KIDDING!!!) I'll always say (and am saying now) I don't think these test scores really matter one iota as to what kind of education you're going to get -- these don't even take math scores into account -- but they aren't biased one way or another, they are what they are...though the more I think about my limited knowledge of some of these districts, I'm thinking these are actually a pretty good indicator with some obvious anomalies.

I could do free lunch by school, and I think Regents diplomas....although, if I'm doing county vs. county (outside of districts) then the numbers WILL be slightly skewed since it's not taking into account actual numbers of students per district....

[sean sean sean sean]

*************UPDATED now with % of students eligible for free lunch*************

School (District)........................................ ............Standard Ranking (County/Percent Free Lunch)
Wheatley School (East Williston)........................................ .245.0 (N/3%)
Cold Spring Harbor HS (CHS Central)....................................238.0 (S/<1%)
Great Neck South (Great Neck)...........................................23 6.6 (N/3%)
Plainview-Old Bethpage (Plainview-Old Bethpage)..................232.7 (N/2%)
Roslyn High School (Roslyn).......................................... .....232.1 (N/12%)
Garden City HS (Garden City)............................................. 231.7 (N/0%)
Syosset High School (Syosset)......................................... ..230.7 (N/1%)
Manhasset High School (Manhasset)....................................227 .6 (N/3%)
Jericho HS (Jericho)......................................... .................225.0 (N/<1%)
Paul D. Schreiber (Port Washington).....................................22 3.4 (N/5%)
Herricks High School (Herricks)........................................ ....212.4 (N/1%)
JFK (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .............212.0 (N/<1%)
Wantagh High School (Wantagh)......................................... 211.7 (N/<1%)
Locust Valley HS (Locust Valley).........................................21 0.5 (N/4%)
Hauppauge High School (Hauppauge)...................................208. 1 (S/5%)
Harborfields High School (Harborfields Central).......................205.7 (S/3%)
Carle Place Senior High School (Carle Place)..........................200.4 (N/4%)
Half Hollow Hills HS West (Half Hollow Hills)............................197.9 (S/7%)
Half Hollow Hills HS East (Half Hollow Hills).............................197.8 (S/6%)
Ward Melville (Three Village).......................................... .....197.7 (S/2%)
Calhoun (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .......197.3 (N/1%)
Great Neck North (Great Neck)...........................................19 6.1 (N/7%)
Smithtown High School East (Smithtown).............................195.2 (S/0%)
Mount Sinai High School (Mount Sinai).................................194.8 (S/1%)
Gen. Douglas MacArthur HS (LEVITTOWN)............................194.3 (N/4%)
Earl L. Vandermeulen HS (Port Jefferson)..............................193.5 (S/3%)
North Shore HS (North Shore)............................................ 192.6 (N/6%)
George W. Hewlett (Hewlett-Woodmere)..............................191.7 (N/1%)
Babylon Senior High School (Babylon)...................................190.0 (S/6%)
Massapequa High School (Massapequa)................................186.8 (N/<1%)
Elwood/John Glenn HS (Elwood).......................................... .186.4 (S/12%)
Lynbrook Senior HS (Lynbrook)........................................ ....186.3 (N/<1%)
New Hyde Park Memorial (NHP)............................................1 86.0 (N/4%)
Bayport-Blue Point HS (Bayport-Blue Point)............................185.8 (S/4%)
Oyster Bay HS (Oyster Bay-East Norwich).............................183.4 (N/9%)
Mattituck SHS (Mattituck-Cutchogue)..................................178.9 (S/4%)
Hicksville High School (Hicksville)...................................... ...178.1 (N/9%)
Northport SHS (Northport-East Northport).............................177.5 (S/5%)
Westhampton Beach SHS (Westhampton Beach).....................177.3 (S/3%)
South Side High School (Rockville Centre).............................175.4 (N/11%)
Smithtown HS West (Smithtown)....................................... ..173.3 (S/4%)
Walt Whitman HS (South Huntington)...................................171. 6 (S/23%)
Floral Park Memorial (Floral Park)..........................................170 .8 (N/10%)
Islip High School (Islip)........................................... ............169.8 (S/19%)
Lindenhurst High School (Lindenhurst)..................................168 .8 (S/7%)
Mepham (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .......168.6 (N/2%)
West Islip Senior High School (West Islip)..............................167.9 (S/3%)
Sayville High School (Sayville)........................................ .....166.6 (S/3%)
Bethpage Senior High School (Bethpage)...............................165.7 (N/6%)
Connetquot High School (Connetquot)...................................164 .3 (S/9%)
Valley Stream North (VS North)............................................ 163.9 (N/3%)
Island Trees HS (Island Trees)............................................ .162.6 (N/6%)
Bridgehampton School (Bridgehampton).................................16 2.1 (S/31%)
Valley Stream South HS (VS South)......................................161.3 (N/4%)
Kings Park High School (Kings Park)......................................159.3 (S/3%)
Commack High School (Commack)........................................1 59.0 (S/2%)
Eastport-South Manor (Eastport-South Manor).......................158.6 (S/??)
Southold High School (Southold)........................................ ..157.9 (S/7%)
Pierson (Sag Harbor)........................................... ..............157.2 (S/3%)
Mineola High School (Mineola)......................................... ....157.1 (N/10%)
East Islip High School (East Islip).........................................157 .0 (S/5%)
Oceanside Senior High School............................................ .156.7 (N/3%)
Division Avenue HS (Levittown)....................................... ....151.5 (N/5%)
Glen Cove HS (Glen Cove)............................................. .....151.4 (N/16%)
Baldwin SHS (Baldwin)......................................... ..............150.1 (N/0% ??)
Miller Place High School (Miller Place)...................................149.9 (S/2%)
Valley Stream Central (VS Central)......................................149. 2 (N/3%)
Seaford High School (Seaford)......................................... ...147.7 (N/1%)
Plainedge Senior High School (Plainedge)..............................145.0 (N/6%)
H. Frank Carey HS (Sewanhaka)....................................... ..141.7 (N/13%)
Elmont Memorial (Elmont).......................................... ........141.1 (N/23%)
W. Tresper Clarke High School (East Meadow).......................138.3 (N/9%)
Shoreham-Wading River (Shoreham-Wading River)..................137.8 (S/2%)
Long Beach High School (Long Beach)..................................136.7 (N/14%)
Sewanhaka HS (Sewanhaka)....................................... .......136.3 (N/29%)
Newfield High School (Middle Country)..................................135.7 (S/13%)
Huntington High School (Huntington)....................................13 4.7 (S)
Village School (Great Neck)............................................. ...132.6 (N/0%)
Sachem High School West (Sachem)....................................131.5 (S/8%)
Shelter Island HS (Shelter Island)........................................131 .2 (S/??)
Malverne High School (Malverne)........................................ .130.1 (N/22%)
Sachem High School East (Sachem).....................................129.3 (S/??)
West Hempstead HS (West Hempstead)...............................129.2 (N/9%)
Patchogue-Medford HS (Patchogue-Medford)........................127.9 (S/12%)
Farmingdale High School (Farmingdale).................................127. 7 (N/12%)
East Hampton High School (East Hampton)...........................125.7 (S/6%)
West Babylon SHS (West Babylon)......................................125. 5 (S/13%)
Lawrence High School (Lawrence).......................................1 24.8 (N/17%)
Rocky Point High School (Rocky Point).................................123.2 (S/10%)
Comsewogue (Brookhaven-Comsewogue).............................120.7 (S/9%)
Southampton High School (Southampton)............................120.4 (S/9%)
Longwood High School (Longwood).....................................115 .7 (S/17%)
Center Moriches High School (Center Moriches).....................115.0 (S/11%)
East Meadow High School (East Meadow).............................114.0 (N/8%)
Bay Shore SHS (Bay Shore)............................................ ...111.9 (S/35%)
East Rockaway SHS (East Rockaway)..................................111.8 (N/11%)
Hampton Bays Secondary (Hampton Bays)............................111.6 (S/16%)
North Babylon HS (North Babylon).......................................111 .4 (S/6%)
William Floyd High School (William Floyd)...............................104.8 (S/28%)
Riverhead High School (Riverhead)....................................... .99.6 (S/27%)
Centereach High School (Middle Country)...............................99.3 (S/12%)
Deer Park High School (Deer Park).........................................95.8 (S/13%)
Bellport High School (South Country).....................................90.6 (S/19%)
Walter G. O'Connell (Copiague)........................................ .....90.3 (S/28%)
Brentwood High School (Brentwood)......................................8 4.8 (S/54%)
Amityville Memorial (Amityville)...................................... .......78.0 (S/35%)
Central Islip HS (Central Islip)............................................ ..57.2 (S/27%)
Freeport High School (Freeport)........................................ ...53.3 (N/26%)
Hempstead High School (Hempstead)....................................37. 9 (N/42%)
Roosevelt (Roosevelt)....................................... .................34.1 (N/100%)
Westbury High School (Westbury)........................................ 32.9 (N/64%)
Wyandanch Memorial (Wyandanch)....................................... 13.8 (S/26%)

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by clamboy

Hi Sean

I'm not entrely sold that an area thats smaller than Brookhaven needs that many schools.

Thats very boutique.
Its like they surgically removed the poverty and pooled in into a few districts.

Do whatever looks the purest.

C

The Town of Brookhaven has a population density of 599.4 people per square mile....that's like an 1/8th the amount of people in Nassau for, like you said, the same area. The amount of students per school are roughly equal between the counties, with Nassau having slightly MORE per district.

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

It's not raw numbers it's percentage of students that scored over 85, so there could be 5 students in a graduating class or 5,000 the percentage would stay the same.

I was in Macarthur a decade ago too but that incident you're talking about was even further back. Think it was something over a bad coke deal, the kid lived in my neighborhood and did jail time....I heard he did pretty well for himself, legally, after he got out. MacArthur and all of Levittown was GRIMY back in the 80s/90s....it's completely changed. There's still no security there and no need for it.

No, this was a different incident. This was a jealous boy (who wasn't an Mac student) pulling a gun on his girlfriend in the school cafeteria. This occurred in 1996 or 1997.

[djc1949]

Why go to LI. Go north. Stay away from the most expensive area in the tri state. We moved from Deer Park LI 2 years back. We had a 75x123 ft lot. Split level 3/4 br, 1.5 ba. We sold at just the right time.
In -ground pool, landscaped front and back. And our taxes were over $9000.

Unless you have an annual of 80,000. Move out east where ir's not bad for another 2-4 years.

Otherwise look way out of the Tri state area. The cost of living is just to great and it's going to get alot worse on Long Island.

[mammadoo]

Originally Posted by Wes927

Hello.....I'm moving to Long Island from the Bronx w/ 2 high school aged kids to-be. In the Bronx we had to pay for Catholic school Junior High to keep our kids away from inner city problems:

Please help me and tell me if any of the high schools in the following districts have inner city problems of drugs, crime, gangs, bad discipline in classroom.

Any comments at all would be most welcome!

Nassau:

Herricks
Bellmore-Merrick
Bethpage
Carle Place
East Meadow
East Rockaway
Hicksville
Island Trees
Levittown
Lynbrook
Massapequa
Mineola
Oceanside
Plainedge
Rockville Centre
Seaford
Wantagh

Suffolk:

Babylon
Commack
West Babylon

I can say that the following to my knowledge are good districts: Herricks, Carle Place, Mineola and RVC. That doesnt mean that the others are not good, I dont know about them personally. good luck to you!

[nancy thereader]

I don't think that Babylon has gangs per se. West Babylon either, really. There are groups of kids who are troublesome, but you would find that anywhere including beautiful Cold Spring Harbor (Ricky Kasso anyone?) . Not Commack which is a pretty white bread community. After all Rosie O'Donnell was the homecoming queen there .

[rockypointny]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

*************UPDATED now with % of students eligible for free lunch*************

School (District)........................................ ............Standard Ranking (County/Percent Free Lunch)
Wheatley School (East Williston)........................................ .245.0 (N/3%)
Cold Spring Harbor HS (CHS Central)....................................238.0 (S/<1%)
Great Neck South (Great Neck)...........................................23 6.6 (N/3%)
Plainview-Old Bethpage (Plainview-Old Bethpage)..................232.7 (N/2%)
Roslyn High School (Roslyn).......................................... .....232.1 (N/12%)
Garden City HS (Garden City)............................................. 231.7 (N/0%)
Syosset High School (Syosset)......................................... ..230.7 (N/1%)
Manhasset High School (Manhasset)....................................227 .6 (N/3%)
Jericho HS (Jericho)......................................... .................225.0 (N/<1%)
Paul D. Schreiber (Port Washington).....................................22 3.4 (N/5%)
Herricks High School (Herricks)........................................ ....212.4 (N/1%)
JFK (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .............212.0 (N/<1%)
Wantagh High School (Wantagh)......................................... 211.7 (N/<1%)
Locust Valley HS (Locust Valley).........................................21 0.5 (N/4%)
Hauppauge High School (Hauppauge)...................................208. 1 (S/5%)
Harborfields High School (Harborfields Central).......................205.7 (S/3%)
Carle Place Senior High School (Carle Place)..........................200.4 (N/4%)
Half Hollow Hills HS West (Half Hollow Hills)............................197.9 (S/7%)
Half Hollow Hills HS East (Half Hollow Hills).............................197.8 (S/6%)
Ward Melville (Three Village).......................................... .....197.7 (S/2%)
Calhoun (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .......197.3 (N/1%)
Great Neck North (Great Neck)...........................................19 6.1 (N/7%)
Smithtown High School East (Smithtown).............................195.2 (S/0%)
Mount Sinai High School (Mount Sinai).................................194.8 (S/1%)
Gen. Douglas MacArthur HS (LEVITTOWN)............................194.3 (N/4%)
Earl L. Vandermeulen HS (Port Jefferson)..............................193.5 (S/3%)
North Shore HS (North Shore)............................................ 192.6 (N/6%)
George W. Hewlett (Hewlett-Woodmere)..............................191.7 (N/1%)
Babylon Senior High School (Babylon)...................................190.0 (S/6%)
Massapequa High School (Massapequa)................................186.8 (N/<1%)
Elwood/John Glenn HS (Elwood).......................................... .186.4 (S/12%)
Lynbrook Senior HS (Lynbrook)........................................ ....186.3 (N/<1%)
New Hyde Park Memorial (NHP)............................................1 86.0 (N/4%)
Bayport-Blue Point HS (Bayport-Blue Point)............................185.8 (S/4%)
Oyster Bay HS (Oyster Bay-East Norwich).............................183.4 (N/9%)
Mattituck SHS (Mattituck-Cutchogue)..................................178.9 (S/4%)
Hicksville High School (Hicksville)...................................... ...178.1 (N/9%)
Northport SHS (Northport-East Northport).............................177.5 (S/5%)
Westhampton Beach SHS (Westhampton Beach).....................177.3 (S/3%)
South Side High School (Rockville Centre).............................175.4 (N/11%)
Smithtown HS West (Smithtown)....................................... ..173.3 (S/4%)
Walt Whitman HS (South Huntington)...................................171. 6 (S/23%)
Floral Park Memorial (Floral Park)..........................................170 .8 (N/10%)
Islip High School (Islip)........................................... ............169.8 (S/19%)
Lindenhurst High School (Lindenhurst)..................................168 .8 (S/7%)
Mepham (Bellmore-Merrick).......................................... .......168.6 (N/2%)
West Islip Senior High School (West Islip)..............................167.9 (S/3%)
Sayville High School (Sayville)........................................ .....166.6 (S/3%)
Bethpage Senior High School (Bethpage)...............................165.7 (N/6%)
Connetquot High School (Connetquot)...................................164 .3 (S/9%)
Valley Stream North (VS North)............................................ 163.9 (N/3%)
Island Trees HS (Island Trees)............................................ .162.6 (N/6%)
Bridgehampton School (Bridgehampton).................................16 2.1 (S/31%)
Valley Stream South HS (VS South)......................................161.3 (N/4%)
Kings Park High School (Kings Park)......................................159.3 (S/3%)
Commack High School (Commack)........................................1 59.0 (S/2%)
Eastport-South Manor (Eastport-South Manor).......................158.6 (S/??)
Southold High School (Southold)........................................ ..157.9 (S/7%)
Pierson (Sag Harbor)........................................... ..............157.2 (S/3%)
Mineola High School (Mineola)......................................... ....157.1 (N/10%)
East Islip High School (East Islip).........................................157 .0 (S/5%)
Oceanside Senior High School............................................ .156.7 (N/3%)
Division Avenue HS (Levittown)....................................... ....151.5 (N/5%)
Glen Cove HS (Glen Cove)............................................. .....151.4 (N/16%)
Baldwin SHS (Baldwin)......................................... ..............150.1 (N/0% ??)
Miller Place High School (Miller Place)...................................149.9 (S/2%)
Valley Stream Central (VS Central)......................................149. 2 (N/3%)
Seaford High School (Seaford)......................................... ...147.7 (N/1%)
Plainedge Senior High School (Plainedge)..............................145.0 (N/6%)
H. Frank Carey HS (Sewanhaka)....................................... ..141.7 (N/13%)
Elmont Memorial (Elmont).......................................... ........141.1 (N/23%)
W. Tresper Clarke High School (East Meadow).......................138.3 (N/9%)
Shoreham-Wading River (Shoreham-Wading River)..................137.8 (S/2%)
Long Beach High School (Long Beach)..................................136.7 (N/14%)
Sewanhaka HS (Sewanhaka)....................................... .......136.3 (N/29%)
Newfield High School (Middle Country)..................................135.7 (S/13%)
Huntington High School (Huntington)....................................13 4.7 (S)
Village School (Great Neck)............................................. ...132.6 (N/0%)
Sachem High School West (Sachem)....................................131.5 (S/8%)
Shelter Island HS (Shelter Island)........................................131 .2 (S/??)
Malverne High School (Malverne)........................................ .130.1 (N/22%)
Sachem High School East (Sachem).....................................129.3 (S/??)
West Hempstead HS (West Hempstead)...............................129.2 (N/9%)
Patchogue-Medford HS (Patchogue-Medford)........................127.9 (S/12%)
Farmingdale High School (Farmingdale).................................127. 7 (N/12%)
East Hampton High School (East Hampton)...........................125.7 (S/6%)
West Babylon SHS (West Babylon)......................................125. 5 (S/13%)
Lawrence High School (Lawrence).......................................1 24.8 (N/17%)
Rocky Point High School (Rocky Point).................................123.2 (S/10%)
Comsewogue (Brookhaven-Comsewogue).............................120.7 (S/9%)
Southampton High School (Southampton)............................120.4 (S/9%)
Longwood High School (Longwood).....................................115 .7 (S/17%)
Center Moriches High School (Center Moriches).....................115.0 (S/11%)
East Meadow High School (East Meadow).............................114.0 (N/8%)
Bay Shore SHS (Bay Shore)............................................ ...111.9 (S/35%)
East Rockaway SHS (East Rockaway)..................................111.8 (N/11%)
Hampton Bays Secondary (Hampton Bays)............................111.6 (S/16%)
North Babylon HS (North Babylon).......................................111 .4 (S/6%)
William Floyd High School (William Floyd)...............................104.8 (S/28%)
Riverhead High School (Riverhead)....................................... .99.6 (S/27%)
Centereach High School (Middle Country)...............................99.3 (S/12%)
Deer Park High School (Deer Park).........................................95.8 (S/13%)
Bellport High School (South Country).....................................90.6 (S/19%)
Walter G. O'Connell (Copiague)........................................ .....90.3 (S/28%)
Brentwood High School (Brentwood)......................................8 4.8 (S/54%)
Amityville Memorial (Amityville)...................................... .......78.0 (S/35%)
Central Islip HS (Central Islip)............................................ ..57.2 (S/27%)
Freeport High School (Freeport)........................................ ...53.3 (N/26%)
Hempstead High School (Hempstead)....................................37. 9 (N/42%)
Roosevelt (Roosevelt)....................................... .................34.1 (N/100%)
Westbury High School (Westbury)........................................ 32.9 (N/64%)
Wyandanch Memorial (Wyandanch)....................................... 13.8 (S/26%)

Hmmm... I thought Centereach would have higher scores than Newfield.

[jplm]

School (District)........................................ ............Standard Ranking (County/Percent Free Lunch)
Wheatley School (East Williston)........................................ .245.0 (N/3%)
Cold Spring Harbor HS (CHS Central)....................................238.0 (S/<1%)
Great Neck South (Great Neck)...........................................23 6.6 (N/3%)
Plainview-Old Bethpage (Plainview-Old Bethpage)..................232.7 (N/2%)
Roslyn High School (Roslyn).......................................... .....232.1 (N/12%)

Roslyn High School is ranked pretty high on this list, but their free lunch % is relatively high compared to the other high ranking schools (12% vs 0% to5%). Any idea why?