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Of course they should turn when they feel it is safe. However, at 5:30 am when no one is on the road and I just watch the moron in front of me stay stopped for 3 or 4 minutes without a single car going by, they are idiots. I just drive around them in the middle lane and make a right turn in front of them. They aren't going to stop me from turning.
I always go ROR when I can, but I don't honk when someone decides to sit. It's their right to do so.
I've had people honk at me for sitting at a right red arrow! I like to wave at them and smile, pretending like they honked because we're friends.
DMV, Driver's Ed., common sense.
ROR exhibits the same rules as a stop sign. You don't proceed until coming to a full stop and it's safe to go. The fines are even the same for breaking these rules. That doesn't mean someone can't be a prick and do the same thing at a stop sign. They could sit there all day if they don't feel safe going through.
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Worst law ever and should be abolished. It is not MANDATORY for someone to go ROR. Don't like that, too bad - doesn't change the facts. So save your horn.
No one claimed it was mandatory.
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No one should be honking at anyone anywhere, 9 times out of 10 you can't see oncoming traffic if you're the second car in line. It is entirely within the discretion of the first person in line to turn or not. If they just don't feel like it, tough luck. There are also situations where the right lane is straight ahead OR right turn. I love getting honked at when I'm going straight.
People have a right to be annoying. We get it.
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Most people truly do not understand that you only turn ROR when the traffic on the intersecting road is 100% clear and if an accident happens, the fault is the same as if you ran a red light. I had a guy hit our insured making a right on red (my insured with the green) - denied the claim, he sued in small claims, he lost - he never got it through his thick skull that under the law he ran a red light. Period. Also, most people NEVER look to their right to see if there is a pedestrian.
Handled soooo many accident claims due to ROR it's ridiculous.
ROR is not the same as blowing a red. Both are different violations with their own code. Red light tickets are one of the worst you could get points and fine wise. ROR (Where ROR is permitted) tickets for failing to stop or failing to yield are the same level of violation as stop sign/failure to yield type tickets. Same goes for a 'Flashing Red' traffic light--it's a stop sign.
Here's something I bet no one knew (although many will chirp in and CLAIM they knew this):
You may make a left turn at a steady red light when turning from a one-way road into another one-way road after coming to a full stop and yielding the right-of-way to oncoming traffic and pedestrians.
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You may make a left turn at a steady red light when turning from a one-way road into another one-way road after coming to a full stop and yielding the right-of-way to oncoming traffic and pedestrians.
I never knew this either & I am trying to picture how this would work. Have you ever seen a place where this even exists?
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You may make a left turn at a steady red light when turning from a one-way road into another one-way road after coming to a full stop and yielding the right-of-way to oncoming traffic and pedestrians.
I never knew this either & I am trying to picture how this would work. Have you ever seen a place where this even exists?
Probably somewhere like a downtown district with a bunch of one-ways, you only have one direction to turn or you keep straight.
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