Huge Fraud involving 9/11 disability cops & firefighters (New York, Albany: for sale, felons)
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Well, there are some people here who seek to have every negative mention of certain civil servants stricken from the record, so I can't be too hard on myself.
This may be more a NYC topic but speaking of disability, the NYFD makes disability pensions more or less standard. Up to 90% of NYFD retirees in recent years retire on disability.
FDNY has long been open to those living in certain areas outside of NYC:
"Be a resident of one of the five boroughs of New York City, or live in Nassau, Orange, Putnam, Rockland, Suffolk or Westchester County;" Firefighter Eligibility Requirements
Outside of Staten Island and parts of Queens think you'll find quite a good number of FDNY recruits and current members live in the allowed parts of LI, Westchester, and so forth....
Those laws only apply to those who are HIRED post 8/15/2011... and it's COMPLETE bull that some people should adhere to one set of rules while others adhere to another.
This isn't about defined benefits, or contributions- this is about committing FELONY acts that have you arrested and still being allowed to collect a pension.
The PIRA laws needs to be reevaluated, and become broad to apply to ALL civil employees.
I imagine those already convicted would be a gray area, but as the law applied to them -at the time- they would be safe, unless of course further charges were found.
Stop nickling and diming every aspect of government, when there are DOLLARS lining the pockets of felons!
There is considerable debate as to how to remove civil servants pensions if they are convicted of crimes involving their office/work.
Being as that may IIRC NYS does allow for the removal of pensions of certain state workers convicted of crimes: State Pension Forfeiture Laws
Only those HIRED post 8/15/2011
In the case of FAT PIG FRANK TASSSONE of Roslyn Public Schools who stole over a MILLION from the school board, he was found guilty, paid back MUCH of the money, and spent less than 2 years behind bars and is collecting a healthy $200K a year pension from the district he robbed.
If someone tries that 30 years from now, they'd be responsible for DOUBLE damages, 2 million dollars in this case, plus lose the entire pension.
Let's say he dies 20 years after collecting.
200K x 20 = 4,000,000 + 250,000 never returned criminal money.
4,250,000 + lifetime health benefits.
VS.
30 years from now.
(-1,000,000) in restitution damages.
So we have one law, that allows one class of people an advantage of 5.25 Million dollars over another, just based on their hire date?
I suppose this is what happens when your entire senate and house (in NY) are afraid that felony charges would take away their pensions for life too.
Create a Ballot Measure for this one.
Tell your assemblymen to create a ballot measure on this one.
Tell your neighbor.
Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but
Yes they still get it while in prison. Newsday reported it. Here's a media source everybody can access:
Convicted Ex-School Official Still Gets State Pension: Gothamist
This article seems to blame the unions for the right/access to this mans pension when he was in jail.
This is not a union entitlement, but a state honored pension.
The elected leaders of New York State can change this law with zero affirmation from the NYSTRS. Nor would NYSUT and the NYSTRS have any reason to defend a convicted (self-admitted) felon.
One less loser on their payroll means less contributions for them from both the state, local district, and the local union chapter (teachers paychecks).
The unions have a right to defend a felon, give them the benefit of the doubt- but sorry, in clear cut felony cases they have no interest in seeing laws like this continue.
Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but
Yes they still get it while in prison. Newsday reported it. Here's a media source everybody can access:
Convicted Ex-School Official Still Gets State Pension: Gothamist
This article seems to blame the unions for the right/access to this mans pension when he was in jail.
This is not a union entitlement, but a state honored pension.
The elected leaders of New York State can change this law with zero affirmation from the NYSTRS. Nor would NYSUT and the NYSTRS have any reason to defend a convicted (self-admitted) felon.
One less loser on their payroll means less contributions for them from both the state, local district, and the local union chapter (teachers paychecks).
The unions have a right to defend a felon, give them the benefit of the doubt- but sorry, in clear cut felony cases they have no interest in seeing laws like this continue.
Is the NYS pension being referred to a pension which is separate from or above and beyond the NYSTRS + NYSUT ?
They can't. No matter what a person does or what laws they break, a NYS pension is protected by the NYS constitution. Note how Frank Tassone, the thief who stole $1M+ from the Roslyn SD still has his NYS pension.
This is true is many other states as well. Federal pensions are not guaranteed in the constitution but are still almost impossible to take away as well, plenty of people in prison collecting. One interesting note though, detroit just slashed public pensions to something like 18 cents on the dollar, unions of course sued saying pensions are guaranteed in the Michigan constitution, federal bankruptcy court just ruled a few days ago that federal bankruptcy law supersedes the state constitutions and that detroit can proceed with the cuts. Goes to show that although some state pensions might be protected by state constitutional law, nothing is truly iron clad.
Is the NYS pension being referred to a pension which is separate from or above and beyond the NYSTRS + NYSUT ?
Whatever system he ended up in. They are all state managed- though he may have put money in from a variety of jobs prior to his retirement.
It is still a NYS sponsored pension.
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