The future of Long island (Nassau, Clinton: homes, employment, neighborhood)

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by ClarkStreetKid

So young LIer's are pampered and lazy? Does that mean the ones with motivation took matters into their own hands and moved?

Funny that you say that about young immigrants because it's and echo of what Mario Cuomo said when asked about all the young professionals leaving the area. This happened around the time we packed up and left LI. In that time we've thrived and LI is still hoping to be bailed out by young immigrants. LI really is stuck in a time warp where it's always the same problems with the same lame solutions.

I used to live out in Westbury for a time. I think the problem with NYC, L.I. and Miami is they have not faced the reality of our situation at hand. They think there is going to be a magical flood of immigrants to pay for high priced housing and taxes that locals can no longer afford. Its just not going to happen, at least not in large enough numbers to sustain exodus of locals.

See, these three areas I mentioned before, they suffer from the "everyone wants to live here, so we can do what we want" syndrome. With the housing, credit crunch and taxes issues a lot of people are going to be in for a big shock when everything is said and done and I for one am happy. Hopefully things will right themselves, markets have a way of doing that when things have just gotten out of reach of the average person.

[Jrprofess]

Originally Posted by nbres

Read Pat Buchanan's new book Day of Reckoning.

If you want to know what is in store for America read The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

The difference between yesterday's immigrants and today's immigrants is that today's immigrants are from non-Western/non-European countries. Irish, Germans, Italians were all be easily assimilated over 100 years because they are all European peoples. Also, the ethos of that time was to assimilate new immigrants. Things are so different now. There is no comparison. We will become a boarding house for the world if we continue to allow 2 million immigrants a year in. We don't need any more immigrants.

..If both of you did not respond to my post then I would have thought it was poorly written . Nbres, you tell me to study history and then reference a Pat Buchanan book...so you took care of discrediting yourself without me needing to do so. As for Joe L., well, I will let your history of posts speak for themselves. I have a very firm understanding of my irish heritage and history and will count on the accuracy of my great grandparents experience and stories to support my earlier contention. Under your theory Joe L, I suppose leaving things like the irish famine and black plague wouldn't qualify as "messes"...Again, you both have a history of posts that speaks for themselves. And you also take the same course as others when trotting out your bias...I never referenced illegal immigration.

As for assimilation....I was thinking the other day, this sterotype that indian and asian children of immigrants have as strong in math/science and other academics is VERY disturbing...

Neighbors like Joe L....NIMBY

To the Moderator...sorry. We will get back on topic.

[Dedalus]

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As for assimilation....I was thinking the other day, this sterotype that indian and asian children of immigrants have as strong in math/science and other academics is VERY disturbing...

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Does it remind you of the "ceiling quotas" that were once established at elite universities for those "uppity Jews"?

Yeah, me too. And, even a lapsed Catholic/borderline pagan like meself is disturbed as well.

[ClarkStreetKid]

LI's Future?
Riots Point to Racially Divided France

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by Jrprofess

I often wonder why new waves of immigrants (Pakistani, Latino, Carribean, whatever) are so easily dismissed by so many native Long Islanders given the same things (learn the language, bashing their ethnic stores, overt exclusion and bias) occured to many of our forefathers. It all goes in cycles...much of the same was said by the nativists when the italians, polish and irish, amongst others, were coming into the area. Everyone can't move to their utopia and pull up the ladder after them...we would have 3 million one person towns...And enough about how "our immigrant waves were more respectful...were you there? I am irish, and I am pretty sure that the Five Points area in the city was one of the first certified ghettos in America. The sons and daughters of recent immigrants will do what many of our families did. Work hard to assimilate, educate themselves, and move on up the ladder.

I agree completely, I think some people on here are romanticizing an era that isn't really much different than the situation with Central Americans today. Just a few generations ago, my great grandparents lived in horrible conditions on top of each other and worked in unskilled manual labor as it was the only job available and paid under the table. They were illegal immigrants, completely uneducated and probably played into all the Irish stereotypes of being alcoholics and fighting constantly. If your family's roots in America don't go back more than 150 years, you've probably got the same story!

[Wild Style]

Originally Posted by Joe L

Yep, at least from S Westbury Southwest to California.

At the current rate of thinking by that moron Elliot Spitzer and the growing number of newbee liberal in Nassau just give it 10 more years. All it will take is one good spark like Rodney King situation and KABOOM !.

Especially a weekend at the beginning of the month on a hot summer day when the 30+ Million south of the border wagan burners are all fired up. Ask any policeman, court officer or prison guard.
Dont say it to loud no matter how much it's true people will call you a racist, xenophobe, xinophobe whatever to discredit ya
-Remember my words

wow, just wow

[Dedalus]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

I agree completely, I think some people on here are romanticizing an era that isn't really much different than the situation with Central Americans today. Just a few generations ago, my great grandparents lived in horrible conditions on top of each other and worked in unskilled manual labor as it was the only job available and paid under the table. They were illegal immigrants, completely uneducated and probably played into all the Irish stereotypes of being alcoholics and fighting constantly. If your family's roots in America don't go back more than 150 years, you've probably got the same story!

Right on.

Another thing to check out is the "educated" gutter anti-Semitism of Henry Adams...Boston "Brahmin"...yeah, right.

The likes o' him didn't have much liking for my ancestors, either...I'm Irish too.

[nbres]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

I agree completely, I think some people on here are romanticizing an era that isn't really much different than the situation with Central Americans today. Just a few generations ago, my great grandparents lived in horrible conditions on top of each other and worked in unskilled manual labor as it was the only job available and paid under the table. They were illegal immigrants, completely uneducated and probably played into all the Irish stereotypes of being alcoholics and fighting constantly. If your family's roots in America don't go back more than 150 years, you've probably got the same story!

The situation is quite different today. We are taking in over 2 million legal and illegal immigrants a year. There are currently over 40 million immigrants in the US right now out of our current population of 300 million. If current trends continue the US population will be around 470 million by 2060 of whom over 100 million will be immigrants. How in the world are we going to assimilate all those people? It has nver been done and probably can't be done.

If the current trends in immigration remain unaltered then expect the US to be a very different country fifty years from now. It will be a balkanized and crowded polygot of people. It will be a recipe for disaster. This is not the future I wish to leave to my children.

Long Island will probably be unrecognizable. Nassau County is already being transformed. It becomes more like Queens everyday. Suffolk is not far behind.

[fopt65]

Originally Posted by ClarkStreetKid

LI's Future?
Riots Point to Racially Divided France

Are you implying that only LI could have these problems due to illegal immigration? Last I checked, every state in the union has illegal immigrants within their border to provide companies with cheap labor.

[nbres]

http://www.cmap.nypirg.org/special/l.../gif/white.gif

Check out the above link.

It shows pretty clear the trends happening on Long Island.

The map is based on the 2000 census.

Expect the mostly White areas to have shrunk even more by the 2010 census.

God knows what it will look like by 2025, 2050 or 2060.