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Old 02-14-2014, 08:02 AM
 
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Yes, really.

I guess you can count yourself lucky and if you're happy with 35% over 10 years, so be it.
My brother lives in a suburb of Denver, which has had one of the fastest growing housing markets in the US last year. His property taxes went down from 2011 to 2012. He went from $4550/yr to $4520. And no, he doesn't live in a Ted Kaczinski hut in the woods. No he did not grieve his taxes. He's lived in this house for about five years, during which his property taxes have stayed within $500 of the original tax bill. And no, I"m not talking about tax assessments, I'm talking about the annual property tax nut.

My point: Denver and the rest of Colorado do not fund schools via property tax receipts. Of course, Denver tried to install a property tax funded school system during the last election in November. It was wildly defeated.

Contrast that to our tax debacle. Pension reform or not, we're being mugged.
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:13 AM
 
Location: new yawk zoo
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My brother lives in a suburb of Denver, which has had one of the fastest growing housing markets in the US last year. His property taxes went down from 2011 to 2012. He went from $4550/yr to $4520. And no, he doesn't live in a Ted Kaczinski hut in the woods. No he did not grieve his taxes. He's lived in this house for about five years, during which his property taxes have stayed within $500 of the original tax bill. And no, I"m not talking about tax assessments, I'm talking about the annual property tax nut.

My point: Denver and the rest of Colorado do not fund schools via property tax receipts. Of course, Denver tried to install a property tax funded school system during the last election in November. It was wildly defeated.

Contrast that to our tax debacle. Pension reform or not, we're being mugged.
I just googled...looks like Colorado needs a billion dollars

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/us...g-schools.html
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Old 02-14-2014, 08:57 AM
 
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I just googled...looks like Colorado needs a billion dollars

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/us...g-schools.html
Did you read the whole article, though? This was the vote I referred to. It was resoundingly rejected by the voters. It was a vote to use property taxes to fund poorer school districts, so there's parity between wealthier districts and those not so fortunate.

While, yes, there should be better funding for poor school districts, using property taxes to fund the effort is a HUGE mistake, as we LIr's can attest to. If you read further, you'll see how wealthy individuals, including former NYC mayor Bloomberg, as well as Bill and Melinda Gates, are coming to the rescue with their private donations. This is the way you handle this issue, not by borrowing a page from NY's school budgeting manual.
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Old 02-14-2014, 09:14 AM
 
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It is not enticing to live in CO for school district...maybe if I wanted to snowboard all day.
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Old 02-14-2014, 09:21 AM
 
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It is not enticing to live in CO for school district...maybe if I wanted to snowboard all day.
Agreed, not my first stop for education. But neither is LI since I can't afford it and statistically, our expensive public education system has not correlated to educational quality.

I'd rather snowboard all day than be on the LIRR for a 3hr snowy commute home
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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So whats holding you here? I would pack up and leave.



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Agreed, not my first stop for education. But neither is LI since I can't afford it and statistically, our expensive public education system has not correlated to educational quality.

I'd rather snowboard all day than be on the LIRR for a 3hr snowy commute home
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:48 AM
 
Location: I'm gettin' there
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So whats holding you here? I would pack up and leave.
I think a few have been listening to you and others who share your viewpoint.

This is the proof.
American Migration [Interactive Map] - Forbes


One thing I do not understand from the map is that in most cases the per capita income of people leaving is more than the people coming in, hopefully it was a clerical error on Forbes part.

Edit: Young blood coming in and retired people moving out ?
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Old 02-14-2014, 11:54 AM
 
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I'd rather snowboard all day than be on the LIRR for a 3hr snowy commute home
yesterday was business as usual. My LIRR was 50% of capacity....got into work like any other day....less than 55 min door to door. Going home was a dream....somewhat warm walk & not crowded....very civilized.

today was about 75% of capacity than normal. Sun was out but puddles was everywhere. I dress correctly & slosh thru the puddles while everyone else was figuring out to get around the swamp corners.
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Old 02-14-2014, 03:35 PM
 
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yesterday was business as usual. My LIRR was 50% of capacity....got into work like any other day....less than 55 min door to door. Going home was a dream....somewhat warm walk & not crowded....very civilized.

today was about 75% of capacity than normal. Sun was out but puddles was everywhere. I dress correctly & slosh thru the puddles while everyone else was figuring out to get around the swamp corners.
Again, you are one lucky LI'r.

Morning commute was not a huge problem, but I would have left the office around 12:30 PM had it not been for the fact the LIRR had 'temporarily' shut down service on my line. I did leave about an hour earlier than usual and was very lucky I was only about 30 mins late coming through the door.

On the other hand, my evening trains have been about 10 mins every night. On Monday morning's commute, I was about 60 mins late when the train in front of the one I was on became stranded.

So, in all, 2 hours or so of tardiness is not bad for $425/mo in fares.
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Old 02-14-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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So whats holding you here? I would pack up and leave.
But I love LI. I love to complain.

Seriously, I'm rapidly approaching that break-even point where there just won't be enough left over after all of my expenses, all in. I know this topic has been hotly contested on this forum, so I won't get into it again, suffice to say I'm already looking at alternatives.

What's really startling is the number of families I know who are doing the same thing. How many have to leave before what's left of our stagnant real estate market starts to collapse... again.
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