What are they thinking in Smithtown? (Huntington, Garden City: crime, school districts, college)

[TomMoser]

I just want to bring some humanity to this discussion and tell you about a Section 8 recipient who I recently found housing for here in Huntington. She is a single mother of four children. She worked for a company in the Bronx, where she was on public assistance. Her job was transferred to this area, so she had to move. Through Huntington Housing Authority we were able to get her Section 8 benefits so that she could move and keep her job. Luckily, Huntington does not administer their program the way that Smithtown does. She is a very nice hard working woman and I think that the program operated exactly the way it was intended to.

[rubygreta]

Originally Posted by TomMoser

I just want to bring some humanity to this discussion and tell you about a Section 8 recipient who I recently found housing for here in Huntington. She is a single mother of four children. She worked for a company in the Bronx, where she was on public assistance. Her job was transferred to this area, so she had to move. Through Huntington Housing Authority we were able to get her Section 8 benefits so that she could move and keep her job. Luckily, Huntington does not administer their program the way that Smithtown does. She is a very nice hard working woman and I think that the program operated exactly the way it was intended to.

Perhaps the people who administer the Section 8 program in Smithtown also care about their school district. Let's be honest. Who is going to raise their hand and honestly say they would welcome a poor single mother with four kids (white, black, Hispanic or Green) into their school district. BE HONEST, TOM!

[TomMoser]

Originally Posted by rubygreta

Perhaps the people who administer the Section 8 program in Smithtown also care about their school district. Let's be honest. Who is going to raise their hand and honestly say they would welcome a poor single mother with four kids (white, black, Hispanic or Green) into their school district. BE HONEST, TOM!

I'm sorry if it offends you that I believe in being charitalbe to hardworking people who are trying to get by in this world. How is someone like that supposed to get along if everyone decided that she is not welcome? Please have a very Merry Christmas.

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by TomMoser

I just want to bring some humanity to this discussion and tell you about a Section 8 recipient who I recently found housing for here in Huntington. She is a single mother of four children. She worked for a company in the Bronx, where she was on public assistance. Her job was transferred to this area, so she had to move. Through Huntington Housing Authority we were able to get her Section 8 benefits so that she could move and keep her job. Luckily, Huntington does not administer their program the way that Smithtown does. She is a very nice hard working woman and I think that the program operated exactly the way it was intended to.

What I want to know is...

Did she become single due to the death of a spouse? I bet not... but if so I do have sympathy for her. If not, I honestly don't have sympathy. Use some birth control.
Does each child have the same father? I would bet not
Do the children have values or do they act out due to their family issues/stress? Usually children lacking a father, esp whose mother has to work and isn't home often, have issues (black or white, it is true).

I would feel the same way if you told me she was white. I am not talking about someone who went from rags to riches, by some odd fluke, sure I have sympathy for them. I am talking about the people who, by repeated foolish life choices, need to be assisted by the govt.

Having worked with children such as these, 99.999% of the time they have many many behavioral issues that disrupt a classroom and that is just not ok. You say Huntington doesn't do it the way SMithtown does? And that is why the Huntington School districts have gone seriously downhill and not many whites are interested in buying in them anymore. And doesn't Huntington/South Huntington SD's have serious gang issues?

I don't care if she is black or white. I know whites who foolishly popped out multiple kids that they cannot handle or take care of properly, and they are just as problematic in the school system. So here we go again about property values, school districts, section 8 housing, etc, ruining a town. Now of course I don't know this woman at all, but the odds are I am correct in at least one of my above statements. Ideally we all WANT to be caring, but when MY children have the pay the price for someone else's mistakes or life choices, when my children get harassed in school by some punky rebelling kid who needs a father figure, or was raised in a poor life environment, I can't say I would be happy to accept that. Esp when paying 15,000 in taxes to boot. Sorry but it is the truth.

[GCGuy]

Originally Posted by TomMoser

I'm sorry if it offends you that I believe in being charitalbe to hardworking people who are trying to get by in this world. How is someone like that supposed to get along if everyone decided that she is not welcome? Please have a very Merry Christmas.

Ok, that's fine...they're great, hardworking people...why do these people need to have federal help to live in places they cannot afford on their own. If these same people moved to, say PA, they could most likely afford the place all to themselves.

Like I said, I live in Garden City and worked to get here. Even so, I live in the most modest section of town...should I get help to move into the big ol' houses I would love to live in? Please, let me know the difference.

[rubygreta]

Yes, why does a poor single woman have four children? Did the sex education class in school fail her?

Tom, if the people of Huntington elect representatives who welcome single mothers with four children from outside their community, that's great. And if they don't care if they jeopardize the quality of their school district or the value of their homes, that's great too. But do not impugn the people of Smithtown because they place a premium on their schools and their property values.

[TomMoser]

Originally Posted by GCGuy

Like I said, I live in Garden City and worked to get here. Even so, I live in the most modest section of town...should I get help to move into the big ol' houses I would love to live in? Please, let me know the difference.

You're kidding, right? We are talking about helping people afford modest housing (and, believe me, not modest by your standards), not putting them in GC mansions. So sad. Merry Christmas my friend.

[TomMoser]

Originally Posted by rubygreta

Tom, if the people of Huntington elect representatives who welcome single mothers with four children from outside their community, that's great. And if they don't care if they jeopardize the quality of their school district or the value of their homes, that's great too. But do not impugn the people of Smithtown because they place a premium on their schools and their property values.

Then I would have to go back to one of the arguments that I made previously: The town should not accept federal funds if they only want to benefit their own citizens. If they choose to be insular and elitist, thats fine, but they should not use our collective money to do it.

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by rubygreta

Tom, if the people of Huntington elect representatives who welcome single mothers with four children from outside their community, that's great. And if they don't care if they jeopardize the quality of their school district or the value of their homes, that's great too. But do not impugn the people of Smithtown because they place a premium on their schools and their property values.

OH they care, but the minorities are tipping the scales in the schools and making demands, and the pressure is on. And the town has buckled due to pressure. Such as principals giving speeches in Spanish and English, which only negates the fact that in America, people who want to live here must try to learn English and assimilate, not be accommodated.

It all starts somewhere and Smithtown knows that and is trying to prevent a repeat Huntington.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by TomMoser

... they should not use our collective money to do it.

They (the gov't) should not use out collective money for any such charitable purpose.

No one has ever said it better that government " … has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity … " than the Honorable Colonel David Crockett, Member of Congress in “Not Yours To Give”:

http://www.fee.org/library/books/notyours.asp