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When you get a ticket for driving 27 MPH in a 20 MPH zone, then come back here and tell us how you feel. While studies have come out proving that the chances of a fatality increase for drivers hitting a person at say, 40 MPH vs. 30 - I do not see how going 30 MPH will actually cause as serious a fatality or injury as a car going only 20 MPH. Then there is the issue that violations are being issued for people who are going only 5 or 8 MPH above the limit. It is a complete lie that there is an 8 or 10 MPH "grace" cushion before violators get a ticket. The County is hoping people who are erroneusly issued tickets for going 9 MPH over the limit will not want to waste time by taking a day off from work/school to fight the ticket in court.
What do you mean that the 'grace' cushion is a lie? It's written in the statute. Are you saying the County is just disregarding the statute as written and issuing tickets anyway?
(b) If the counties of Nassau and Suffolk establish a demonstration program pursuant to subdivision (a) of this section, the owner of a vehicle shall be liable for a penalty imposed pursuant to this section if such vehicle was used or operated with the permission of the owner, express or implied, within a school speed zone in violation of subdivision (c) of section eleven hundred eighty of this article or during the times authorized pursuant to subdivision (a) of this section in violation of subdivision (b), (d), (f) or (g) of section eleven hundred eighty of this article, such vehicle was traveling at a speed of more than ten miles per hour above the posted speed limit in effect within such school speed zone, and such violation is evidenced by information obtained from a photo speed violation monitoring system; provided however that no owner of a vehicle shall be liable for a penalty imposed pursuant to this section where the operator of such vehicle has been convicted of the underlying violation of subdivision (b), (c), (d), (f) or (g) of section eleven hundred eighty of this article.
What do you mean that the 'grace' cushion is a lie? It's written in the statute. Are you saying the County is just disregarding the statute as written and issuing tickets anyway?
Thats exactly what I am saying as I have been reading news stories from people who are being ticketed for being only 5 or 8 miles above the limit when those tickets should not have been issued at all. This brings into question at which exact point the camera measured the speed, because if that driver dropped their speed from 33 to 29 MPH the minute the "School zone: Speed Camera Enforced Here" sign was spotted (and thats assuming the sign is even present or clearly visible!!!), that means the camera was calibrated to clock the driver at 33 when they were really going 29. Yet, if you are doing 29 MPH- you get a ticket, tough luck. The County is hoping the violators will blindly pay the fee and not question the fact that the ticket was erroneously issued or because they were unaware of the cushion - so either the burden is on the person receiving the ticket to waste their time to fight it in court, or have to retain an attorney to fight it for them like a regular traffic/speeding ticket. These stories are already posted in the Facebook page as well.
How do they know that they are only going 8 to 9 over the limit? Is this the same kind of speedometer that all the defendants in speeding cases claim, before the judge, isn't working properly? Amazing how many bad speedometers are out there?
Perhaps speeders should just OBEY the limit and not worry about how many miles above it that they can get away with.
Thats exactly what I am saying as I have been reading news stories from people who are being ticketed for being only 5 or 8 miles above the limit when those tickets should not have been issued at all. This brings into question at which exact point the camera measured the speed, because if that driver dropped their speed from 33 to 29 MPH the minute the "School zone: Speed Camera Enforced Here" sign was spotted (and thats assuming the sign is even present or clearly visible!!!), that means the camera was calibrated to clock the driver at 33 when they were really going 29. Yet, if you are doing 29 MPH- you get a ticket, tough luck. The County is hoping the violators will blindly pay the fee and not question the fact that the ticket was erroneously issued or because they were unaware of the cushion - so either the burden is on the person receiving the ticket to waste their time to fight it in court, or have to retain an attorney to fight it for them like a regular traffic/speeding ticket. These stories are already posted in the Facebook page as well.
The speed zone for the school I pass by most often (at least 2x's/day) is 20 mph, I actually do 20mph for the 100 yards or so and somehow, I haven't gotten one ticket. I must just be lucky.
The speed zone for the school I pass by most often (at least 2x's/day) is 20 mph, I actually do 20mph for the 100 yards or so and somehow, I haven't gotten one ticket. I must just be lucky.
I'd say you are. How many seconds do you let your eyes rest on the spedometer the entire time at the cost of looking at other items on the road itself? Just being forced to stare at your own speed for the entire length of time you drive through the school zone is enough of a distraction that we weren't required to be aware of before. This works for the idiots who blow through stop signs/red lights, and cameras at 50+ MPH (who rightfullly deserve to get ticketed) but not the innocent driver who's cruising along at a reasonable 32 MPH and probably keeping pace with other local traffic only to get dinged because he was 12 miles over the limit. Ridiculous.
Last edited by LegalDiva; 10-15-2014 at 12:52 PM..
How do they know that they are only going 8 to 9 over the limit? Is this the same kind of speedometer that all the defendants in speeding cases claim, before the judge, isn't working properly? Amazing how many bad speedometers are out there?
Perhaps speeders should just OBEY the limit and not worry about how many miles above it that they can get away with.
I suspect that most people are (or will) to avoid a $80 hit. So, what happens when there is a revenue shortfall again because people are obeying the law (as what happened with red light cameras)? What will they do, put speed cams on sidewalks? The 2015 budget was based on the projected revenue from the speed cameras.
Its the reason why Nassau County has said (check newsday article) they will no longer publish where the cameras are. Which tells you right there, its a gotcha program and nothing to do with safety.
The outrage is over the deception and the fact that it is taxation without representation and not over people feeling that they are entitled to breaking the law. Perhaps if they had come right out and said we need money so we are putting in these cameras instead of saying, its for children's safety, people would not have been so upset. Better yet, if they had put it to a vote saying that we need to cover the budget gap, then at least we would have felt like we still have a representative government.
According to that memo, it was 14 people who were hit. It doesnt even state whether those 14 were children or exactly how many feet they were from a school/school zone......(Also notice the date on the document is 10/8/14 which leads me to ask why this document doesnt include more information on this issue, or any links to prior memos which have more statistical data. To me it screams "oh people are asking for stats, lets just write something up fast to make em happy.")
[SIZE=3]Statistics from the Tri-State Transportation Campaign indicate a high risk of being struck by a vehicle within a quarter mile of a school in Nassau County. In 2012 alone, among the 37 pedestrians killed on Nassau County’s streets, 14 were hit within a quarter of a mile of school, accounting for nearly 40 percent of total pedestrian fatalities countywide. Though not everyone killed in these areas were school-age children, such a high probability of pedestrian deaths occurring near schools raises concerns about potential traffic dangers for children. [/SIZE]
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I'd say you are. How many seconds do you let your eyes rest on the spedometer the entire time at the cost of looking at other items on the road itself? Just being forced to stare at your own speed for the entire length of time you drive through the school zone is enough of a distraction that we weren't required to be aware of before. This works for the idiots who blow through stop signs and cameras at 50 MPH (who should get ticketed) but not the innocent driver who's cruising along at a reasonable 32 MPH and probably keeping pace with other local traffic only to get dinged because he was 12 miles over the limit. Ridiculous.
Complaining about enforced slower speeds in school zones. Yup, ridiculous.
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