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Well documented that it's primarily due to the very slow foreclosure process in NY and NJ. My facts are rants but your BS is BS. "Rants?" "No need to take it personally?" Nice, a couple more limp-wristed passive aggressive slaps in place of a valid point or a shred of credibility.
Yeah sure, what site are you getting your figures from?
I am not a fan of ex-pats coming here to arrogantly lecture us that we are all suckers for living here and that those who actually like living here are complete morons. It's not so black and white. Nothing is so cut and dried.
Howeer, to be fair, I compared Hendersonville to Commack as a point of reference because it sort of reminded me of the well -kept parts of middle/upper-middle class parts of Suffolk County. My rough estimate is that the drive from Hendersonville to the equivalent of their " Albany Empire State Plaza" in "downtown" Nashville would be about 20-30 minutes without traffic and probably 45 minutes? during rush hour. Just like here, commute time varies where the job is located, the "eastside, the westside, north, south?" It's like lving in Westchester so that you can take the train to Grand Central vs. living on Long Island so that you can take the train to Penn. The area did take a hit during the housing bubble burst, but not as badly as here and certainly not as badly as the southwest. There was a construction boom pre-recession, slowed down during the recession, and has now resumed. Without looking at Zillow or their equivalent of MLSLI because I'm feeling lazy, I would imagine that 500K is still a top market house for Hendersonville. Maybe, the OP lives in one of their more upscale areas with a residential community pool, playground, clubhouse? I don't know, but they do have stuff like that there. They have more modest housing as well. Understandably, the locals get upset when Californians and Northeasterners come there with their deep pockets from selling their homes and earning higher salaries and then buying a house at what they consider a bargain at $500K.
As for the mall, yes same concerns as people here have about Green Acres. I don't feel uncomfortable at that mall. I think they may be particularly alarmed about the mall near Hendersonville because there is another mall in the Nashville area, that was once their main busy mall. It eventually degenerated into a dangerous place, stores vacated, families of every ethnicity stopped shopping there. They renamed it, like changing Green Acres to Mill Brook, tried to revitalize it. I haven't been there to see it and feel skeptical about its future.
I am not a fan of ex-pats coming here to arrogantly lecture us that we are all suckers for living here and that those who actually like living here are complete morons. It's not so black and white. Nothing is so cut and dried.
Howeer, to be fair, I compared Hendersonville to Commack as a point of reference because it sort of reminded me of the well -kept parts of middle/upper-middle class parts of Suffolk County. My rough estimate is that the drive from Hendersonville to the equivalent of their " Albany Empire State Plaza" in "downtown" Nashville would be about 20-30 minutes without traffic and probably 45 minutes? during rush hour. Just like here, commute time varies where the job is located, the "eastside, the westside, north, south?" It's like lving in Westchester so that you can take the train to Grand Central vs. living on Long Island so that you can take the train to Penn. The area did take a hit during the housing bubble burst, but not as badly as here and certainly not as badly as the southwest. There was a construction boom pre-recession, slowed down during the recession, and has now resumed. Without looking at Zillow or their equivalent of MLSLI because I'm feeling lazy, I would imagine that 500K is still a top market house for Hendersonville. Maybe, the OP lives in one of their more upscale areas with a residential community pool, playground, clubhouse? I don't know, but they do have stuff like that there. They have more modest housing as well. Understandably, the locals get upset when Californians and Northeasterners come there with their deep pockets from selling their homes and earning higher salaries and then buying a house at what they consider a bargain at $500K.
As for the mall, yes same concerns as people here have about Green Acres. I don't feel uncomfortable at that mall. I think they may be particularly alarmed about the mall near Hendersonville because there is another mall in the Nashville area, that was once their main busy mall. It eventually degenerated into a dangerous place, stores vacated, families of every ethnicity stopped shopping there. They renamed it, like changing Green Acres to Mill Brook, tried to revitalize it. I haven't been there to see it and feel skeptical about its future.
Coney you consistently make great points. IMHO LI is totally in decline. Mostly because of 70 years of meteoric rise and the inherent aging of people, businesses and infrastructure, and worst of all, an inbred arrogance and failure to change, grow strategically or compete with developing parts of the Country. I'm one of the 1st to say it, because I'm living it, along with many other great families. Of course I feel like I get the remains at a ridiculously inflated value. There are so many of us living here talking about how bad the systemic issues are that it's just annoying to have dum-dum expats come in regurgitating the things we've debated already, bumping the old threads and adding nothing new except to incite and snipe. Every one of LI's problems are in their infant stages in the other places discussed and none of them have NYC in their back yard attracting talent from all over the world. LI's solutions (when we are smart or desperate enough to face them) will ultimately be the solutions the others will face. Most of their boom is due to the wealth creation and subsequent aging of the population here with Cali and NYers priced out looking for value and young people looking for fresher, less Nimby heavy and more user friendly cities. NY's bell can't be unrung and suddenly become affordable and yet wave after wave of middle class appear. All of America is facing LI problems whether their taxes are high (yet) or not. Infrastructure is being driven by bonds and RE speculation. Austin is smoking and has been for 25 years. It's also way overdeveloped way too fast, has toll roads coming up everywhere, prop taxes exploding, young people fleeing. The difference is they are still a massive college town and very business friendly (being the darling SW hangout for Hollywood and Silicon Valley doesn't hurt either) and LI hasn't been that in a long time. My buddy bought his 2bd/1ba shack in Austin for $42k. He gets offers for $300k. It wasn't brilliant investing. It's his home. Similar to the Levitt buyer who paid $6k for a house now valued at $350k. We wear a ball and chain of our own corruption, nimbyism and too much govt. I just SMDH wondering how it got like this when the truth is the ones who created this mess are now running for local offices in NC, SC, TX, FL, PA and environs. Good luck folks. There are nice, up and coming and established places all over. It would be nice to accept that LI is one of the 1st and still nice ones. It's frustrating, difficult, vanilla, corrupt and overpriced...and still one of the best places in the world to raise a family.
the drive from Hendersonville to the equivalent of their " Albany Empire State Plaza" in "downtown" Nashville would be about 20-30 minutes without traffic and probably 45 minutes?
You've never driven in TN., have ya? They don't slow down for no rush hour! (Everything else they do at a slower pace, though).
I drove through Nashville once at the height of rush-hour....traffic was going 80MPH...and everyone was courteous and knew how to drive. It was amazing! If these people ever experienced LI traffic, plodding along at 55MPH and constant stop & go, and nasty and incompetent drivers, they'd figure that everyone there must be retarded.
Coney you consistently make great points. IMHO LI is totally in decline. Mostly because of 70 years of meteoric rise and the inherent aging of people, businesses and infrastructure, and worst of all, an inbred arrogance and failure to change, grow strategically or compete with developing parts of the Country. I'm one of the 1st to say it, because I'm living it, along with many other great families. Of course I feel like I get the remains at a ridiculously inflated value. There are so many of us living here talking about how bad the systemic issues are that it's just annoying to have dum-dum expats come in regurgitating the things we've debated already, bumping the old threads and adding nothing new except to incite and snipe. Every one of LI's problems are in their infant stages in the other places discussed and none of them have NYC in their back yard attracting talent from all over the world. LI's solutions (when we are smart or desperate enough to face them) will ultimately be the solutions the others will face. Most of their boom is due to the wealth creation and subsequent aging of the population here with Cali and NYers priced out looking for value and young people looking for fresher, less Nimby heavy and more user friendly cities. NY's bell can't be unrung and suddenly become affordable and yet wave after wave of middle class appear. All of America is facing LI problems whether their taxes are high (yet) or not. Infrastructure is being driven by bonds and RE speculation. Austin is smoking and has been for 25 years. It's also way overdeveloped way too fast, has toll roads coming up everywhere, prop taxes exploding, young people fleeing. The difference is they are still a massive college town and very business friendly (being the darling SW hangout for Hollywood and Silicon Valley doesn't hurt either) and LI hasn't been that in a long time. My buddy bought his 2bd/1ba shack in Austin for $42k. He gets offers for $300k. It wasn't brilliant investing. It's his home. Similar to the Levitt buyer who paid $6k for a house now valued at $350k. We wear a ball and chain of our own corruption, nimbyism and too much govt. I just SMDH wondering how it got like this when the truth is the ones who created this mess are now running for local offices in NC, SC, TX, FL, PA and environs. Good luck folks. There are nice, up and coming and established places all over. It would be nice to accept that LI is one of the 1st and still nice ones. It's frustrating, difficult, vanilla, corrupt and overpriced...and still one of the best places in the world to raise a family.
Coney you consistently make great points. IMHO LI is totally in decline. Mostly because of 70 years of meteoric rise and the inherent aging of people, businesses and infrastructure, and worst of all, an inbred arrogance and failure to change, grow strategically or compete with developing parts of the Country. I'm one of the 1st to say it, because I'm living it, along with many other great families. Of course I feel like I get the remains at a ridiculously inflated value. There are so many of us living here talking about how bad the systemic issues are that it's just annoying to have dum-dum expats come in regurgitating the things we've debated already, bumping the old threads and adding nothing new except to incite and snipe. Every one of LI's problems are in their infant stages in the other places discussed and none of them have NYC in their back yard attracting talent from all over the world. LI's solutions (when we are smart or desperate enough to face them) will ultimately be the solutions the others will face. Most of their boom is due to the wealth creation and subsequent aging of the population here with Cali and NYers priced out looking for value and young people looking for fresher, less Nimby heavy and more user friendly cities. NY's bell can't be unrung and suddenly become affordable and yet wave after wave of middle class appear. All of America is facing LI problems whether their taxes are high (yet) or not. Infrastructure is being driven by bonds and RE speculation. Austin is smoking and has been for 25 years. It's also way overdeveloped way too fast, has toll roads coming up everywhere, prop taxes exploding, young people fleeing. The difference is they are still a massive college town and very business friendly (being the darling SW hangout for Hollywood and Silicon Valley doesn't hurt either) and LI hasn't been that in a long time. My buddy bought his 2bd/1ba shack in Austin for $42k. He gets offers for $300k. It wasn't brilliant investing. It's his home. Similar to the Levitt buyer who paid $6k for a house now valued at $350k. We wear a ball and chain of our own corruption, nimbyism and too much govt. I just SMDH wondering how it got like this when the truth is the ones who created this mess are now running for local offices in NC, SC, TX, FL, PA and environs. Good luck folks. There are nice, up and coming and established places all over. It would be nice to accept that LI is one of the 1st and still nice ones. It's frustrating, difficult, vanilla, corrupt and overpriced...and still one of the best places in the world to raise a family.
You've identified many problems which are indeed affecting many, nay- most areas of the country. These problems will not be resolved, because the one thing they all have in common, regardless of the locale, is model of government that they have adopted. This whole country is in decline, because government at every level has become authoritarian, and financially unsustainable. Just as many productive and self-sufficient citizens have already abandoned places like NY where government is the most out-of-control, so too will others like myself abandon this country sooner or later. It's happening already in places like the UK. It takes a while, but eventually people start to wake up and realize that they are nothing but tax slaves; and that elections are meaningless, and merely determine who takes your money. And now it's gone beyond mere financial slavery- as our government spies on us; tries to control every aspect of life; and even now uses overt violence without consequence. Those who can, are leaving/will leave, as the ships goes further and further down. Just like all other empires throughout history, it's too big; too complex; too corrupt; and too ingrained to fix. It'll just deteriorate and slowly die- the question is: Who will go down witrh the ship, and who will get off while there is still time?
You've identified many problems which are indeed affecting many, nay- most areas of the country. These problems will not be resolved, because the one thing they all have in common, regardless of the locale, is model of government that they have adopted. This whole country is in decline, because government at every level has become authoritarian, and financially unsustainable. Just as many productive and self-sufficient citizens have already abandoned places like NY where government is the most out-of-control, so too will others like myself abandon this country sooner or later. It's happening already in places like the UK. It takes a while, but eventually people start to wake up and realize that they are nothing but tax slaves; and that elections are meaningless, and merely determine who takes your money. And now it's gone beyond mere financial slavery- as our government spies on us; tries to control every aspect of life; and even now uses overt violence without consequence. Those who can, are leaving/will leave, as the ships goes further and further down. Just like all other empires throughout history, it's too big; too complex; too corrupt; and too ingrained to fix. It'll just deteriorate and slowly die- the question is: Who will go down witrh the ship, and who will get off while there is still time?
Nice horror movie script. So where is everyone going? Costa Rica and Belize? All that is necessary is to reverse trickle down/supply side which is the greatest scam ever perpetrated on the American people, end corporate welfare, level and simplify the tax code, increase the overtime threshold to 1950 levels and sink money into infrastructure stimulus and the middle class will explode again. It's not apocalyptic. It's corruption and dirty PR by those in power creating rules that tilt the playing field. Fix it and we win. I agree though, easier said than done. People are too busy, cynical, apathetic or stupid...in whatever order. Just throw up a smokescreen of threats (terrorism, immigration, socialism) and the sheep run into the pen.
You've never driven in TN., have ya? They don't slow down for no rush hour! (Everything else they do at a slower pace, though).
I drove through Nashville once at the height of rush-hour....traffic was going 80MPH...and everyone was courteous and knew how to drive. It was amazing! If these people ever experienced LI traffic, plodding along at 55MPH and constant stop & go, and nasty and incompetent drivers, they'd figure that everyone there must be retarded.
Mumbly Joe, I have driven in Nashville in TN, many, many, many times during rush hour, which is why I post here about the Nashville metro area. I'll be doing it once again, if health allows me, in a few months. I have even driven in, gasp, and visited Kentucky. No one is driving 80 MPH M-F at 5 in the afernoon on I-65 near Cool Springs. No one is zipping down I-40 near downtown (the speed limit when you get near the downtown exits are 65 MPH) during the AM or PM rush hour or 21st Ave. South/Hillsboro Pike in the West End during rush hour. It's slow and stop and go, although IMO, I would say it is not even close to how bad it is on the Cross Bronx at any time of day. But it is slow. You can find many articles in The Tennessean to confirm the problems of unsafe driving habits of some locals. IMO, they tend to signal less when changing lanes than people do here and they will tailgate. But yes, in many other ways, the drivers do seem more courteous, IMO, especially at stop signs and they don't honk at you because you didn't move in a nano second after the light turned green. In fact they rarely use their horns. You can confirm this by asking the folks over in the Nashville forum about slow traffic during rush hour and you can read their complaints.
You've identified many problems which are indeed affecting many, nay- most areas of the country. These problems will not be resolved, because the one thing they all have in common, regardless of the locale, is model of government that they have adopted. This whole country is in decline, because government at every level has become authoritarian, and financially unsustainable. Just as many productive and self-sufficient citizens have already abandoned places like NY where government is the most out-of-control, so too will others like myself abandon this country sooner or later. It's happening already in places like the UK. It takes a while, but eventually people start to wake up and realize that they are nothing but tax slaves; and that elections are meaningless, and merely determine who takes your money. And now it's gone beyond mere financial slavery- as our government spies on us; tries to control every aspect of life; and even now uses overt violence without consequence. Those who can, are leaving/will leave, as the ships goes further and further down. Just like all other empires throughout history, it's too big; too complex; too corrupt; and too ingrained to fix. It'll just deteriorate and slowly die- the question is: Who will go down witrh the ship, and who will get off while there is still time?
I disagree, the US government Is pretty well run compared to other governments. There is an incentive for US politicians and government officials to overspend funds but that's all governments. Other countries are dealing with rampant corruption and unbelievable red tape. We aren't near collapse yet. In fact, our economy is killing it.
Most news headlines are overhyped garbage to grab your click.
Mumbly Joe, I have driven in Nashville in TN, many, many, many times during rush hour, which is why I post here about the Nashville metro area. I'll be doing it once again, if health allows me, in a few months. I have even driven in, gasp, and visited Kentucky. No one is driving 80 MPH M-F at 5 in the afernoon on I-65 near Cool Springs. No one is zipping down I-40 near downtown (the speed limit when you get near the downtown exits are 65 MPH) during the AM or PM rush hour or 21st Ave. South/Hillsboro Pike in the West End during rush hour. It's slow and stop and go, although IMO, I would say it is not even close to how bad it is on the Cross Bronx at any time of day. But it is slow. You can find many articles in The Tennessean to confirm the problems of unsafe driving habits of some locals. IMO, they tend to signal less when changing lanes than people do here and they will tailgate. But yes, in many other ways, the drivers do seem more courteous, IMO, especially at stop signs and they don't honk at you because you didn't move in a nano second after the light turned green. In fact they rarely use their horns. You can confirm this by asking the folks over in the Nashville forum about slow traffic during rush hour and you can read their complaints.
Well, it's been quite a few years- so maybe things have changed. I remember back then, too, traffic was WAY lighter on I-65 - and coming up 65 from Nashville to Bowling Green, the road was just LITTERED with peeled-off retread semi tire casings...you'd have to literally dodge them! I-65 is starting to remind me of the LIE!
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