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Old 02-12-2015, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Westbury,NY
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Concern grows over plan for Babylon food pantry - News 12 Long Island

Church’s Plan To Feedy Needy Residents Under Fire In Babylon « CBS New York

This is just unreal, but not surprising. Lately many of the South Shore towns have become uppity, Babylon, Bellmore,Merrick,etc. I already know that in my situation, finding apts in these areas is tough, even though discrimination against those with disabilities is illegal.
I see more Benzes, BMW's, etc in these areas now than in the past. It seems the nicest areas on LI with the best train line are now only for the rich. People that oppose feeding the hungry in their own community, and EVERY community has people who are suffering, are just vain snobs.
And how many of these people opposed attend Church? Apparently, they are not very Christian.
There are those that are saying it would "bring a bad element" and compare it to that new defeated Westbury casino idea. Funny because when I was at those meetings against the casino, it was brought up that Churches here have programs to feed the hungry and no one here in Westbury or Carle Place opposed it and the churches worked with the community.
I've already read the bars in Babylon attract a rowdy crowd, no one seems to be complaining about that.
So tired of seeing what is happening to LI, the nicer, safer areas get taken over by the rich and if you're poor, middle class, or disabled you're forced to live in a bad neighborhood.
I would never want to raise a family here.
I hope Suffolk OTB decides to put their new casino right in Babylon. Then these snobs will really have something to be upset about!
It seems safe communities that are also open minded are becoming quite hard to come by on LI.
No wonder so many folks whose wallets and egos don't measure up, are leaving Long Island.
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Old 02-12-2015, 11:59 PM
 
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Concern grows over plan for Babylon food pantry - News 12 Long Island

Church’s Plan To Feedy Needy Residents Under Fire In Babylon « CBS New York

This is just unreal, but not surprising. Lately many of the South Shore towns have become uppity, Babylon, Bellmore,Merrick,etc. I already know that in my situation, finding apts in these areas is tough, even though discrimination against those with disabilities is illegal.
I see more Benzes, BMW's, etc in these areas now than in the past. It seems the nicest areas on LI with the best train line are now only for the rich. People that oppose feeding the hungry in their own community, and EVERY community has people who are suffering, are just vain snobs.
And how many of these people opposed attend Church? Apparently, they are not very Christian.
There are those that are saying it would "bring a bad element" and compare it to that new defeated Westbury casino idea. Funny because when I was at those meetings against the casino, it was brought up that Churches here have programs to feed the hungry and no one here in Westbury or Carle Place opposed it and the churches worked with the community.
I've already read the bars in Babylon attract a rowdy crowd, no one seems to be complaining about that.
So tired of seeing what is happening to LI, the nicer, safer areas get taken over by the rich and if you're poor, middle class, or disabled you're forced to live in a bad neighborhood.
I would never want to raise a family here.
I hope Suffolk OTB decides to put their new casino right in Babylon. Then these snobs will really have something to be upset about!
It seems safe communities that are also open minded are becoming quite hard to come by on LI.
No wonder so many folks whose wallets and egos don't measure up, are leaving Long Island.

This isn't an attack or critique of you personally, John, but just an insight. You have long complained about the sordid element of persons (i.e., the illegals, the day laborers whether legal or illegal, the loiterers) in Westbury Village and some other places like Hicksville, Hempstead Village, et al. You view them as lowlifes and uncivils ... and I'm not saying you shouldn't (that is up to you). But understand that all the upscale population (i.e., the upper middle class rich, the very rich, and the super rich) think of the populations who would be served meals by churches as "lowlifes and uncivils" as well. I'm not saying they are right but such helping organizations DO very often attract people with a host of drug and/or alcohol addiction problems, lack of a strong work ethic, wanting to sit around all day in public and loiter and camp out and at times engage in behaviors that will or may well make them public nuisances (similar to what you frequently complain about with those who hang around Westbury Village, downtown Hicksville, Hempstead Village, and the like). You are not or may not be one of them but you get lumped into their same category in the minds of the upscale population. It is a case of you being assigned "guilt by association" in their minds.

Every time I've passed through or visited Babylon Village and nearby environs, it all impressed me as quite upscale and swanky. The bulk of the residents there, by-and-large, in their own minds (and I am not one of them) feel that they didn't move into that haven of prosperity for it to then become a haven for the disenfranchised. They'd rather that such helping organizations be situated in Hempstead Village or Freeport or Roosevelt or Huntington Station or Brentwood and the like ... but NOT in their very own backyard.They are as perturbed by that element as you are by the undesired element you often complain about in Westbury Village. They don't see the fine shades of gray or even of colors but just see everything in black-and-white and would likely think of YOU in the same way or nearly the same way as those other folks that you yourself loathe and would see you in this way just because of your life status (as I said before, it is "guilt by association" in their minds).
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Old 02-13-2015, 03:52 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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A soup kitchen is like one Section 8 house. Once one is present in an area it causes a necrotizing fasciitis like disease on an entire neighborhood. Take for instance East Islip near St. Mary's Church. A once beautiful area with well kept homes and profitable storefronts is now becoming infected with the dirty human bacteria spreading itself all along the Main Street area. The brood sows pushing baby carriages with their EBT cards in hand heading to the 24 hr CVS, 24 hr laundromat or the Boston Market to fetch the baby daddies dinner while they sleep until dark. There is no stopping this disease and it spreads until the area and the schools are destroyed.
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Old 02-13-2015, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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A soup kitchen is like one Section 8 house. Once one is present in an area it causes a necrotizing fasciitis like disease on an entire neighborhood. Take for instance East Islip near St. Mary's Church. A once beautiful area with well kept homes and profitable storefronts is now becoming infected with the dirty human bacteria spreading itself all along the Main Street area. The brood sows pushing baby carriages with their EBT cards in hand heading to the 24 hr CVS, 24 hr laundromat or the Boston Market to fetch the baby daddies dinner while they sleep until dark. There is no stopping this disease and it spreads until the area and the schools are destroyed.
LOL!!

So you think that just because there is a homeless shelter or soup kitchen, it will cause people to be homeless?? People are already homeless all over Long Island. They need services to survive. NIMBYISM at its finest folks!
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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To allow a soup kitchen or other social service would be an admittance that there are people in the community who are not upper middle class or higher.....
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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There were times when I was younger when my family relied on a food pantry. My sister, my mother and I. Am I the sordid element these people are afraid of? Do the people in the community fear that they could be one paycheck away from having to rely on a food pantry or other social services?

It breaks my heart to see a community oppose something like this. It makes me not want to live on this planet anymore.
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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LOL!!

So you think that just because there is a homeless shelter or soup kitchen, it will cause people to be homeless?? People are already homeless all over Long Island. They need services to survive. NIMBYISM at its finest folks!
LOL to you. I do not recall making any statement about homeless people. There is a difference between homeless and The Section 8 Society.
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Old 02-13-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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St James RC Church in Setauket has a food pantry and soup kitchen. I've volunteered there quite frequently and have seen elderly local residents (the ones who are house rich but struggling to pay taxes and utilities), white people, brown people, black people. There are those who struggle with mental issues or chemical dependency. Saddest of the group are women and children whose husband/father died suddenly. Met those who are here illegally. Observed those who are lonely and for home this is their only interaction with people at a meal.

There is a group of soup kitchen and food pantries that host the less fortunate on specific week nights. Most are easily accessible by bus as they are on a main road.

I've lived in Babylon, and while it is nicely kept, feel it's no better than any other community on LI. That these horrible people would turn their back on someone in need of food speaks volumes. Many guests of the soup kitchens would much rather be home, cooking a meal they could afford. The look of sadness in the eyes of someone who has no choice but to visit the soup kitchen or avail themselves of the food pantry's offerings is something one won't forget.
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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They just don't want transients and drug addicts walking around their neighborhood. Many of these less fortunate will somehow result in local crimes going up such as burglary, larceny from auto. and robbery.
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:39 AM
 
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They just don't want transients and drug addicts walking around their neighborhood. Many of these less fortunate will somehow result in local crimes going up such as burglary, larceny from auto. and robbery.

Um, drug addicts don't want food, they want drugs or money, neither of which a food pantry provides. "Less fortunate" do not commit crimes, criminals do. They aren't one and the same, despite the classic white flight, holier than thou, uppity snotrag, Nimby pervasive LI attitude. Can't even give a kid a can of spagettio's around here without it somehow being a threat to our "unique suburban culture." Classic.
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