Time to Consolidate Long Island Districts (Babylon, Union: mortgage, luxury, best school)

[VTP]

I have to second Glad2BHere's opinion. The original post seems, to be, to me, highly suggestive of a personal gripe on the part of a resident whose town (North Bablyon) is in a rapid decline attributed largely to an increasingly diverse population. Nbres, didn't you also recently try to convince us that West Islip was heading for the dogs, and about to be inflitrated by minorities? Sounds an awful lot to me like you want to share your own misery with others. Misery loves company, right? Well, you may be quite on the mark about demographic shifts on some communities, your own included, but there are very well grounded areas on Long Island that are not likely to experience such unfortunate downturns in the foreseeable future. My own North Shore community falls into this category, and folks who live here would never in a million years even consider consolidating our school district with another. Most of us live here because of the exclusivity, and I don't mean that in the colloquial "look at me and all the stuff I own" sense -- I mean the term quite literally.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by VTP

I have to second Glad2BHere's opinion. The original post seems, to be, to me, highly suggestive of a personal gripe on the part of a resident whose town (North Bablyon) is in a rapid decline attributed largely to an increasingly diverse population. Nbres, didn't you also recently try to convince us that West Islip was heading for the dogs, and about to be inflitrated by minorities? Sounds an awful lot to me like you want to share your own misery with others. Misery loves company, right? Well, you may be quite on the mark about demographic shifts on some communities, your own included, but there are very well grounded areas on Long Island that are not likely to experience such unfortunate downturns in the foreseeable future. My own North Shore community falls into this category, and folks who live here would never in a million years even consider consolidating our school district with another. Most of us live here because of the exclusivity, and I don't mean that in the colloquial "look at me and all the stuff I own" sense -- I mean the term quite literally.

The north shore ISN'T immune to being more culturally diverse.. it's just a richer population of people coming in that's different. Have you been to Great Neck.. very persian.. as is Roslyn. You have hte Herricks SD that is very Korean, etc. Very affluent populations from other parts of the world.

That just goes to show that the problems AREN'T about race here people.. the problem is that the gap is getting wider between the rich and the poor adn those in the middle are falling into one or the other. Just look at the thread about the demographis.. MOST on this board that are posting there are making well over $100K!!! Some of those in that category are living frugally.
It's not about race..it's about MONEY.. PERIOD. I don't think anyone minds any race of people if they are affluent and have dough.. they only complain when they don't. Let's face it.. areas with little money have a higher rate of crime etc. That's why when there's a recession there is a rise in crime. People get desperate and are struggling to survive and get by.
I don't live in a high falutent (spelling?) neighborhood by any means.. and Idon't care what color skin or language my neighbors speak (although I DO hope they know how to speak english.. this IS America) as long as they keep their property clean and respectable and are nice people.

We are in the 21st Century and it amazes me how we're talking abuot "white" neighborhoods and "non white" neighborhoods. We should be discussing how the middle class, including a lof ot "white" people, is dissappearing!

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by nbres

Don't you realize that the entire country is becoming less white every year. By as early as 2035 whites might be less than half the population. The numbers of "minorities" is exploding. Long Island is next to New york City which is 70% non-white now. Do you think all those people are just always going to stay there? Hispanics, Asians, African-Americans are getting good jobs now in the city and they are moving to the Island.

If change is happening everywhere in the US, then it is not a LI thing, which you/many posters on here make it seem that these issues re taxes, demopgraphic change plague LI alone. Just accept whatever will happen then. Why constantly state the "change" is coming in all your threads? What is so hard for you to accept about this change in the world's demographics? Heck, I know it is changing all over, but I can't do anything about that. But I can be pretty sure my more exclusive area (and the exclusive area I plan to buy an upgrade home/property in) will resist change for a much longer time or indefinitely (over other LI neighborhoods solely based on property values, prices, and location). And I am happy enough with that. I don't have to worry as much as you do (which I assume is why it is clearly something you try to make everyone join in on your misery with you) as VTP said above.

Originally Posted by nbres

I know of two Puerto Rican and two Dominican families personally who have moved into Smithtown. That may not seem like much, but that is just the people I know personally. How many others don't I know who are moving to Smithtown. You may not see it now, but in the future their numbers will increase. Smithtown and a handful of other places are the last bastions of the old 90%+ Long Island of yesteryear. Change is on its way and there is nothing that you can do about it. Just listen to almost anyone on Long Island from any town and they will tell you that the demographics are changing. Yes, in some places more than others, but can you name me one place on Long Island that is becoming more White?.

BTW I don't think I ever used the term "Spanish" people. To me Spanish people are Spaniards from Spain. Spaniards are European Whites.

Can you name ANYWHERE in the world that is becoming more white for that matter?
And you may not have used the word Spanish, maybe you said hispanic or latino. But the point is that just are trying to make it sound like b/c you supposedly know ONE or TWO hispanic people who moved to Smithtown, that the rest of us ought to believe large numbers of "Hispanic" people are moving to SMithtown b/c YOU said so. By making this statement, you just illustrated that you exaggerate about towns "changing rapidly". You clearly just proved my point about your goal to try to make the rest of US LI'ers as miserable as you clearly are. Sorry, I am not buying it. Only some towns will go down and that is the truth. I am not worried about it one bit.

Location, property value, and school district....that is what it comes down to on LI and that is why you want LI to consolidate districts. Your town would benefit from this, but most LI towns would not benefit from this. It will never be embraced by the majority of LIers who are very happy with the way things are.

[nbres]

My own North Shore community falls into this category, and folks who live here would never in a million years even consider consolidating our school district with another. Most of us live here because of the exclusivity, and I don't mean that in the colloquial "look at me and all the stuff I own" sense -- I mean the term quite literally.

Your use of the word exclusivity says it all.

[quote]But I can be pretty sure my more exclusive area (and the exclusive area I plan to buy an upgrade home/property in) will resist change for a much longer time or indefinitely (over other LI neighborhoods solely based on property values, prices, and location)

Glad2BHere

Here it is again, exclusive.

Who exactly do you guys want to exclude?

It sounds to me like you are content to let the rest of the Island go to hell as long as you get to keep your little exclusive part of it free of non-Whites and Working Class Whites.


Oh Well. You ignore reality at your own peril.

[TristansMommy]

[quote=nbres;2653438]Your use of the word exclusivity says it all.

But I can be pretty sure my more exclusive area (and the exclusive area I plan to buy an upgrade home/property in) will resist change for a much longer time or indefinitely (over other LI neighborhoods solely based on property values, prices, and location)

Here it is again, exclusive.

Who exactly do you guys want to exclude?

It sounds to me like you are content to let the rest of the Island go to hell as long as you get to keep your little exclusive part of it free of non-Whites and Working Class Whites.


Oh Well. You ignore reality at your own peril.

The probelm with LI is that it's full of arrogant my poop don't stink type of people .. in my honest opinion.. and I'm born and raised here. I just think it's reprehensible.

But alas, it's their arrogance that are going to keep the taxes high and overinflated.. again.. it's like they think because they pay more for somethign it's better.. This is the same group of people who buy a ridiculously priced T-shirt for over $100 because it has a name on it when it's no different than the Fruit of the Loom you'd get for a lot less!!

[nbres]

The probelm with LI is that it's full of arrogant my poop don't stink type of people .. in my honest opinion.. and I'm born and raised here. I just think it's reprehensible.

But alas, it's their arrogance that are going to keep the taxes high and overinflated.. again.. it's like they think because they pay more for somethign it's better..

I agree.

It kind of makes me hope that a Democrat like Obama or Clinton gets in the White House and raises the top income tax rates on these people who want to live in their little exclusive neighborhoods.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by nbres

I agree.

It kind of makes me hope that a Democrat like Obama or Clinton gets in the White House and raises the top income tax rates on these people who want to live in their little exclusive neighborhoods.

Well. I truly believe that a Democrat will be in office.. because the middle class are getting sick and tired of the rich getting richer and fatter while the rest of us work like dogs and suffer so that they can make their billions!!

Don't EVEN get me started onwhat I think of insurance companies or the health care industry.. As a matter of fact.. the oil companies too.. making BILLIONS.. while the rest of us have HUGE enormous heating bills this winter while sitting in our homes with sweaters on so that we can keep the heat low.. because if we didn't it would be alot worse!!

Part of me thinks it's a scam that the rich get together and cook up to push us further and further down while elevating themselves higher and higher.. LOL

I know.. I sound like a loon..but sometimes I just feel that way!

[PizzaPedro]

What's wrong with wanting to live in a nice neighborhood if you have money? I think you guys are hypocrites, you would do the same thing. "Oh no, I would never do that."

Should we all drive the same cars? Wear the same clothes? Let's remove all incentive for anyone to try and be succesful. Let's not have smart people become doctors because there's no incentive to make more money.

These people in this "exclusive neighborhoods" already ARE paying a lot more taxes than you. They're probably paying an extra $5000-$10,000 in property taxes and probably an extra $50,000 in income taxes.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by PizzaPedro

What's wrong with wanting to live in a nice neighborhood if you have money? I think you guys are hypocrites, you would do the same thing. "Oh no, I would never do that."

Should we all drive the same cars? Wear the same clothes? Let's remove all incentive for anyone to try and be succesful. Let's not have smart people become doctors because there's no incentive to make more money.

These people in this "exclusive neighborhoods" already ARE paying a lot more taxes than you. They're probably paying an extra $5000-$10,000 in property taxes and probably an extra $50,000 in income taxes.

It's not the fact that they are making more money that is the problem.. it's their elitist attitude to those that do not make as much as them and therefore are "below" them. What's wrong with their rich snotty kids in BMW's going to school with a middle class kid who works a part time job to help pay for his beat up Ford or Chevy that he gets to drive to school? Is that student LESS of a good person or less deserving of a good education simply because his father and or mother is a hard working plubmer or secretary (just examples) as opposed to lawyers and dr's?

No we all shouldn't be driving the same cars, but shouldn't be looking down on others who do not have hte luxury cars, Mc Mansions.

[OhBeeHave]

[quote=nbres;2653438]Your use of the word exclusivity says it all.

But I can be pretty sure my more exclusive area (and the exclusive area I plan to buy an upgrade home/property in) will resist change for a much longer time or indefinitely (over other LI neighborhoods solely based on property values, prices, and location)

Here it is again, exclusive.

Who exactly do you guys want to exclude?

It sounds to me like you are content to let the rest of the Island go to hell as long as you get to keep your little exclusive part of it free of non-Whites and Working Class Whites.


Oh Well. You ignore reality at your own peril.

I just would like to bring to mind the synonyms for "Exclusive":
Synonyms: absolute, aloof, aristocratic, chic, choice, chosen, circumscribed, clannish, classy, cliquish, closed, complete, confined, country club, discriminative, elegant, entire, exclusionary, exclusory, fashionable, full, independent, licensed, limited, narrow, only, particular, peculiar, posh, preferential, private, privileged, prohibitive, restrictive, ritzy, segregated, select, selfish, single, snobbish, socially correct, sole, swank, total, undivided, unique, upper crust*, whole

When I hear people refer to an Exclusive Neighborhood, exclusive restaurant, exclusive enclave, I tend to think Chic, country club, classy, posh, private, privileged, ritzy, snobbish, swank and upper crust.

I know plenty of people in 'exclusive neighborhoods' who aren't white or Asian.

Please tell me one thing: if a person (of any race, creed or color) can afford to live in a very expensive, 'exclusive' area, who are any of us to deny them that right?