Time to Consolidate Long Island Districts (Union, Brentwood: top school, property taxes, to live in)

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by nbres

I agree.

It kind of makes me hope that a Democrat like Obama or Clinton gets in the White House and raises the top income tax rates on these people who want to live in their little exclusive neighborhoods.

Like that's going to happen. Why would Obama or Hillary want to increase their tax exposure when it is easier to tax the little guy with no corporate interests?

The laws will be put into place with so many loopholes that the rich will still get richer and the rest of us will be forced to cough up more.

[PizzaPedro]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

It's not the fact that they are making more money that is the problem.. it's their elitist attitude to those that do not make as much as them and therefore are "below" them. What's wrong with their rich snotty kids in BMW's going to school with a middle class kid who works a part time job to help pay for his beat up Ford or Chevy that he gets to drive to school? Is that student LESS of a good person or less deserving of a good education simply because his father and or mother is a hard working plubmer or secretary (just examples) as opposed to lawyers and dr's?

No we all shouldn't be driving the same cars, but shouldn't be looking down on others who do not have hte luxury cars, Mc Mansions.

What makes you think that they are looking down on anyone? Everyone that has a BMW is "snotty"? And every parent that has money and lives in an "exclusive" area buys their kids a BMW? I think you're projecting a bit. Should someone not be able to go to Harvard or Princeton? If you can send your kids to a school district that is considered better, where they will do better academically, what is wrong with that? Who wouldn't want their kids to go to the best school?

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by PizzaPedro

What makes you think that they are looking down on anyone? Everyone that has a BMW is "snotty"? And every parent that has money and lives in an "exclusive" area buys their kids a BMW? I think you're projecting a bit. Should someone not be able to go to Harvard or Princeton? If you can send your kids to a school district that is considered better, where they will do better academically, what is wrong with that? Who wouldn't want their kids to go to the best school?

go back and read all the arguments inthis post..
Consolidation will not change WHERE a child goes to school.. They are suddently not goingto be bussed to Roosevelt to got o schooll. they will go to school in the neighborhood that they live in.. so you're "exclusive" neighborhood willl still be "exclusive" .. don't worry .. whaty ou consider "undesireable" will not move in.

Drive by an "exclusive"neighborhood student parking lot.. you'll see the row of BMW's and Mercedes driven by unappreciative 17 , 18 year olds who have NO CONCEPT of money because everything was handed to them. I think it's disgusting.

I wouldn't change my middle income upbringing for a rich one any day.. I think it builds character. And I know, because I've seen and heard of all teh "looking down" on others that are not in their "exclusive" neighborhoods. No NOT ALL are snotty.. but the vast majority are! I speak from experience.

[TristansMommy]

And just to add... I always said if I were rich I wouldn't send my kid to school driving a BMW.. they'd have to work a part time job and I'd match what they earned and saved to buy a car..
You do your chidren a disservice when you hand them things too easily

[PizzaPedro]

You are making a lot of wild generalizations. How exactly do you know how unappreciative anyone is or how they value money? In my experience most kids that grow up with money DO have a "concept of money." They see what their parents did to become succesful, whether it was going to the right school or getting into a competitive field, starting a business or whatever. Your entire post reeks of jealousy and you come off as really uninformed when you make the generalizations about a HUGE group of people.

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

It's not the fact that they are making more money that is the problem.. it's their elitist attitude to those that do not make as much as them and therefore are "below" them. What's wrong with their rich snotty kids in BMW's going to school with a middle class kid who works a part time job to help pay for his beat up Ford or Chevy that he gets to drive to school? Is that student LESS of a good person or less deserving of a good education simply because his father and or mother is a hard working plubmer or secretary (just examples) as opposed to lawyers and dr's?

No we all shouldn't be driving the same cars, but shouldn't be looking down on others who do not have hte luxury cars, Mc Mansions.

You're painting all wealthy people and their children with the same brush. Remember that you called me on that when we were talking about the mortgage crisis, and people who are caught up in it?

Not every child of wealthy parents is driving a high end import car. Not every wealthy person looks down on those of less means.

There are wealthy snotty people, and people who are just making it who are equally snotty. (I saw that in working class neighborhoods, too.) There are fabulously wealthy people who are the most regular people I know. One woman's husband is 5th down from the CEO of a large multinational floral company. She's so regular -- see her in the supermarket and you think she's from West Babylon, not some 'exclusive' north shore community in a $3 million house. Another is some sort of designing genius, I don't understand the full description, and speaking with him, you think he's your over the fence neighbor in Massapequa. Neither one of them drives a 'luxury' car by any means.

I understand what you are trying to say, but know that you would never imply that all wealthy people are elitists, right?

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

You're painting all wealthy people and their children with the same brush. Remember that you called me on that when we were talking about the mortgage crisis, and people who are caught up in it?

Not every child of wealthy parents is driving a high end import car. Not every wealthy person looks down on those of less means.

There are wealthy snotty people, and people who are just making it who are equally snotty. (I saw that in working class neighborhoods, too.) There are fabulously wealthy people who are the most regular people I know. One woman's husband is 5th down from the CEO of a large multinational floral company. She's so regular -- see her in the supermarket and you think she's from West Babylon, not some 'exclusive' north shore community in a $3 million house. Another is some sort of designing genius, I don't understand the full description, and speaking with him, you think he's your over the fence neighbor in Massapequa. Neither one of them drives a 'luxury' car by any means.

I understand what you are trying to say, but know that you would never imply that all wealthy people are elitists, right?

No I wouldn't and I didn't.. I understand that .. and I did say that not ALL are like that. I do know a few that AREN'T (but the few I know didn't COME from money, but came from a modest background and worked their way UP to money).

Now.. I have watched those that grew up with the money be the most spoiled and ridiculously snobbish Ihave ever seen. I draw this from personal experience ..an acquaintence son who's dad bought her an expensive Mercedes Convertable.. but that wasnt' good enough for him because his friends were driving some even more outlandishly expensive car.. and he was 17. OH.. and he wrecked that car. I hear them speak..even his oldest son .. are the most arrongant pompous kids I have EVER met. Again.. look at an exclusive neighborhood H.S Senior parking lot.. I've driven past them.. It's ridiculous.

Watch MTV's my sweet 16! These kids haev NO concept.. because all they have seen and known is their parents HAVE money.. but didn't watch them work their way UP to it!

I'm not saying it's ALL.. but the post on this board about "exclusivity" etc.. it just reeks of the snotty arrogance that I feel is keeping people so afraid of change on this island and it's aggrevating. They fear their child will have to go to school with someone OUTSIDE of their "exclusive" neighborhoods and will somehow pull their student down. They are so afraid of "non exclusive" neighborhood people that they irrationally fear any type of consolidation.

Sorry.. I"m also aggrevated because i'm listening to President Bush and some of the stuff he said in the beginning of his speech just ticked me off!.. so perhaps that is coming through..
And.I'm not jealous. I'm not one that feels I need to be "rich".. but I'm so sick of struggling just to be where I am.. that I am completely frustrated. I just want to be comfortable.. I dont need a BMW or a mansion.. but I would like affordable good healthcare.... etc.

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

And just to add... I always said if I were rich I wouldn't send my kid to school driving a BMW.. they'd have to work a part time job and I'd match what they earned and saved to buy a car..
You do your chidren a disservice when you hand them things too easily

You're too easy on your children (kidding!)

My son knows he has to save his own hard earned money to buy a car. We are not giving him a dime toward it. And whatever it is, he might park it next to a BMW, Audi or Honda in the school parking lot; he will have the satisfaction of knowing that he OWNS it outright. He will have respect for his machine because he knows how hard he worked to buy it.

One of his friends (not very wealthy) gets things handed to him by his parents. My son asked him why he didn't mow his neighbor's lawn to make some extra money. His response is that he didn't need to as his folks got him what he wanted. My son came home and told me about this; he was disgusted by this friend's response. (It was a very proud mommy moment!) He knows that you have to work hard for things one considers worth having.

My son is eager to go to college and is weighing out the options of staying home and commuting so that he can study as well as work and save money. He knows that he has my blessing in whatever direction he chooses.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

You're too easy on your children (kidding!)

My son knows he has to save his own hard earned money to buy a car. We are not giving him a dime toward it. And whatever it is, he might park it next to a BMW, Audi or Honda in the school parking lot; he will have the satisfaction of knowing that he OWNS it outright. He will have respect for his machine because he knows how hard he worked to buy it.

One of his friends (not very wealthy) gets things handed to him by his parents. My son asked him why he didn't mow his neighbor's lawn to make some extra money. His response is that he didn't need to as his folks got him what he wanted. My son came home and told me about this; he was disgusted by this friend's response. (It was a very proud mommy moment!) He knows that you have to work hard for things one considers worth having.

My son is eager to go to college and is weighing out the options of staying home and commuting so that he can study as well as work and save money. He knows that he has my blessing in whatever direction he chooses.

Sounds like a good kid with a GREAT head on his shoulders .. and a mommy and daddy who did right by him.. AND who also understood the value of the dollar.. or more importantly the value of earnign that dollar..

[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

No I wouldn't and I didn't.. I understand that .. and I did say that not ALL are like that. I do know a few that AREN'T (but the few I know didn't COME from money, but came from a modest background and worked their way UP to money).

Now.. I have watched those that grew up with the money be the most spoiled and ridiculously snobbish Ihave ever seen. I draw this from personal experience ..an acquaintence son who's dad bought her an expensive Mercedes Convertable.. but that wasnt' good enough for him because his friends were driving some even more outlandishly expensive car.. and he was 17. OH.. and he wrecked that car. I hear them speak..even his oldest son .. are the most arrongant pompous kids I have EVER met. Again.. look at an exclusive neighborhood H.S Senior parking lot.. I've driven past them.. It's ridiculous.

Watch MTV's my sweet 16! These kids haev NO concept.. because all they have seen and known is their parents HAVE money.. but didn't watch them work their way UP to it!

I'm not saying it's ALL.. but the post on this board about "exclusivity" etc.. it just reeks of the snotty arrogance that I feel is keeping people so afraid of change on this island and it's aggrevating. They fear their child will have to go to school with someone OUTSIDE of their "exclusive" neighborhoods and will somehow pull their student down. They are so afraid of "non exclusive" neighborhood people that they irrationally fear any type of consolidation.

Sorry.. I"m also aggrevated because i'm listening to President Bush and some of the stuff he said in the beginning of his speech just ticked me off!.. so perhaps that is coming through..
And.I'm not jealous. I'm not one that feels I need to be "rich".. but I'm so sick of struggling just to be where I am.. that I am completely frustrated. I just want to be comfortable.. I dont need a BMW or a mansion.. but I would like affordable good healthcare.... etc.

You know that I am not going to argue that there are no snotty people out there -- damn, that MTV show is horrendous!

Where I am, there are 'exclusive' areas and there are homes that aren't anything remotely close. All the kids go to school together. Yes, there are some snotbags who hang together, they can keep their attitude. But then there are those who you would never know came from wealthy families.

I never called you or would even suggest you're jealous, silly goose. We've brought our feelings and beliefs to the table and have agreed on some, saw others differently, but in the end, I think we have more in common than we know

You and I will teach our chldren respect, morals and a good work ethic. That will carry them further than any high dollar gift.

Now for this State of the Union Address....ugh...I have yet to hear anything of substance.