Time to Consolidate Long Island Districts (Babylon, Huntington: renting, school, incomes)

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

Glad2BeHere has argued that some students get bussed in from other districts to the good school for whatever reason.. okay.. fine.. that will not drag down your "good district".

Again I never said students get bussed in from other districts. READ what I wrote. I said students are getting bussed around WITHIN a district, meaning they have a right to that district, but are forced to go to a school within the district that is much further from their home.

Read what I wrote, not what you want to believe I wrote.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by Glad2BHere

All I can say to you is you speak from idealism, not from experience and it shows. You don't want to open you ears to the truth in the world, and you seem to blame all the problems on "those with money" when in fact, they are the least to blame in our school problems.

To me, you show blantant prejudice against those with money, favoristism towards those with less $ and so you will find a way to justify anything and everything that you say.

Good luck with your school consolidation plight and wishes. You certainly won't get most of the Island to support you, no matter which way you swing it.

No...glad2be here.. my problem with people WITH money have NOTHING to do with the fact that they HAVE the money..but that they treat others as less that do not have as much as them. I'm not rich, nor poor.. I'm middle class!!
I can'st STAND the snobbish arrogance of people who constantly say "not in my neighborhood" yet want some change to occurr.

I see the attitude of your posts that people who dont have as much money as you are like a disease that will spread and infect your children and your childs school with whatever it is you fear they will bring! and THAT is just ridiculous.

You're right.. thigns won't change.. those with money will always feel like they are better than those that do not and will fear that exposure to those less fortunate will in turn make them less or their surroundings less.
Yeah.. perhaps it's idealism.. it makes me SAD To see the state of the world nd this country.. no one cares about each other anymore.. all they care about is their wallets and it just disgusts me. We've become a society of the haves an have nots.. and the haves have control and are pushing the middle further down while elevating themselves and it just pisses me off..

So go ahead.. boycott all the change that should take place.. what do you care. you're obviously going to be okay because your wallet is safe right? And as all the cost increase watch those that the "wealthy" need to work in the jobs they themselves don't want to do dissappear.. then where will you all be?

You know what.. I have to end this because the arrogance is really infuriating me adn I have a headache.

[PizzaPedro]

To say anything negative about "the vast majority" of people with money is just ignorant. But if you feel that way, why would you want to put your kids with these snobby elitists? It doesn't make sense.

And I don't need my kids to "learn" from other kids, that's my job as a parent. My kids do understand that they are more fortunate than many. And more importantly they understand that the reason they are more fortunate is that their father works his rear end off and that their parents have made sacrifices to put them in the position they are in. The "vast majority" of their friends are the same way.

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

I can'st STAND the snobbish arrogance of people who constantly say "not in my neighborhood" yet want some change to occurr.

We don't want change to occur, we are happy with things. So I guess you must like us

Have you ever worked in a troubled school? Not one thing you THINK will solve the problems will and I know this from life experience. It all begins at home. And THAT is why many of us will NEVER want to do anything that might jeapordize OUR school b/c we want our children to be surrounded by children who come from similar home backgrounds. The home life is where the problems start, begin and end and a school CANNOT change that.

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by PizzaPedro

If success in school isn't tied to the kids background, what would be the advantage of mixing the kids up? What do the "poorer" kids get from it?

If you are concerned about kids the the "lesser" school districts, that's great. Let's find ways to improve those schools. But the first thing is to improve the home situation. The issue is single parent homes. It's having too many kids and kids at a young age. It's drugs, it's irresponsible behavior.

But the answer has to come from within, it's not trying to screw over other people.

Exactly. I can't do ANYTHING to help those who do not help themselves, nor is it my responsibility for my children to suffer b/c someone else decided to make the choices they did in life.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by PizzaPedro

To say anything negative about "the vast majority" of people with money is just ignorant. But if you feel that way, why would you want to put your kids with these snobby elitists? It doesn't make sense.

And I don't need my kids to "learn" from other kids, that's my job as a parent. My kids do understand that they are more fortunate than many. And more importantly they understand that the reason they are more fortunate is that their father works his rear end off and that their parents have made sacrifices to put them in the position they are in. The "vast majority" of their friends are the same way.

And you don't think those that are "poor" don't work their asses off!! I disagree.. yeah..they may not be doctors or lawyers..NO.. BUT they do work and in jobs that ARE NEEDED FOR SOCIETY TO FUNCTION. Yet we treat them like their garbage because their hard work doesnt' bring in a big paycheck. If we were all in high paying jobs who would wash floors, clean toilets, work check out at the supermarkets and so on and so forth!

I'm not talking about the non working welfare collecting crack head here people..

But again. the attitude that one or two underprivledged students coming to your "good school" will turn yoru "good school" itno a "bad school" is just ridiculous. ludicrous and arrogant

[PizzaPedro]

So now it's only "one or two" students? And who is going to determine if they are the "no working welfare collecting crack head" that you talk about?

I wasn't implying that all people with less money don't work hard. Of course there are a lot of hard working people who don't make a lot of money. (This would describe both of my parents when I was growing up) I was simply refuting your foolish idea that kids with money have no appreciation for money or where it comes from. The "vast majority" of them do understand where money comes from and how you get it.

There's something else you are missing. "Consolidating" the schools will ultimately have a negative impact on us all and on the schools themselves. If I'm not getting a "better" school district for my money, why should I be paying the taxes and carry the mortgage than I am? Wouldn't I be better off selling my house and moving a few miles away and saving $500,000? So what's that going to do to everyone's property value?

And why wouldn't I use some of the money I saved to send my kids to private school if I thought that was the best education around now that the public schools have been "consolidated." What's going to happen when these top students that you want your kids to go to school with are all in private school? That's the way it is in a lot of the country. And then real estate values drop even more than they are because a lot of the incentive to pay big money for a house in a lot of areas is gone.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by PizzaPedro

So now it's only "one or two" students? And who is going to determine if they are the "no working welfare collecting crack head" that you talk about?
I originally said that consolidating school districts to eliminate admin costs wouldn't change WHO your child goes to school with and thereby are surrounded by.. becaues they would still go to school in the same neighborhoods.. AND they'd still have the same programs.. like AP, Sports Etc. The argument here has been about demographics. My argument is that that won't change. Someone who lives in Roslyn suddently isn't going to find a person from Roosevelt moving in and going to the school within the consolidated district in the Roslyn neighborhood simply because it's been consolidated. Glad2BeHere said that this wasn't the case, that students from these "bad" districts would soon be bussed to the "good ones".. but of course they are not goingto suddently take all those in Roosevelt H.S and enroll them in the same building as the Roslyn H.S Students.. obviusly because the school is already filld with students from the neighborhood.. However, one or two students being dispursed to the Roslyn SD and folded into the Roslyn SD students is certainly a small handfull (okay. .maybe it willb e 4 or 5.. but you get the point). So.. that is why it's only 4 or 5.. Your right.. maybe that childs mom will be a crack head.. BUT in the end your student will not be affected by that 1 or 2 poorer students that have Crackhead parents.. as if their plight is a disease.
I wasn't implying that all people with less money don't work hard. Of course there are a lot of hard working people who don't make a lot of money. (This would describe both of my parents when I was growing up) I was simply refuting your foolish idea that kids with money have no appreciation for money or where it comes from. The "vast majority" of them do understand where money comes from and how you get it.

There's something else you are missing. "Consolidating" the schools will ultimately have a negative impact on us all and on the schools themselves. If I'm not getting a "better" school district for my money, why should I be paying the taxes and carry the mortgage than I am? Wouldn't I be better off selling my house and moving a few miles away and saving $500,000? So what's that going to do to everyone's property value?
No you wouldn't.. because you're buying an area and , as you or Glad2BeHere put it a "demographic". The look, feel and demo of your neighborhood won't chaneg simply because school adminstration costs are mainstreamed into one district.. Your kids will still go to thier neighborhood schools..
Now.. School taxes are determined by the budget and then the assessed value of the home.. you buy more house that's assesed for more because of it's location, etc. then YES, you WILL pay more in property taxes.. you paid more for your house didn't you? And you are buying into an area and into a "demographic". The programs, such as AP and sports would all still be available in your "good school" but will also be available district wide in ALL Schools .. and can be eliminated if , say , there are not enough students that enroll in AP classes in one neighborhood (which could very likely be the case) but then that student.. WHO WANTS TO BETTER THEMSELVES AND WANTS THOSE AP CLASSES.. should then be afforded the opportunity to be bussed to a neighborhing SD that has those AP classes available. Those not interestes will remain in the school that doesn't.
Curriculums are the same no matter what school you go to in NY and the childs home environment has an effect on their school work.. and yoru childs school will stil have all those students with a good home life in their neighborhood schools performing as they always had.

And why wouldn't I use some of the money I saved to send my kids to private school if I thought that was the best education around now that the public schools have been "consolidated." What's going to happen when these top students that you want your kids to go to school with are all in private school? That's the way it is in a lot of the country. And then real estate values drop even more than they are because a lot of the incentive to pay big money for a house in a lot of areas is gone.

You would only send your child to private if you thought the public neighbhorhood school wasn't providing a quality education.. but just becausey ou consolidate to one district, and eliminate admin costs and streamline, doesnt mean that your neighborhood school will not perform as it always had. And people will still pay to be in that neighborhood to go to that particular neighborhood school within the district.

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by TristansMommy

Glad2BeHere said that this wasn't the case, that students from these "bad" districts would soon be bussed to the "good ones".. but of course they are not goingto suddently take all those in Roosevelt H.S and enroll them in the same building as the Roslyn H.S Students.. obviusly because the school is already filld with students from the neighborhood..

Do you not comprehend what I wrote????

Why do you insist on MISQUOTING ME? I never said students from OTHER districts will be bussed to new districts.

I never said anything anywhere that resembled your above statement of students from Roosevelt being bussed to Roslyn.

I referred to students of the SAME DISTRICT getting bussed around within the SAME district.

This conversation is pointless. You obviously have limited understanding, and that shows in your repeated misquotes of what I wrote.

[TristansMommy]

Originally Posted by Glad2BHere

Again I never said students get bussed in from other districts. READ what I wrote. I said students are getting bussed around WITHIN a district, meaning they have a right to that district, but are forced to go to a school within the district that is much further from their home.

Read what I wrote, not what you want to believe I wrote.

K.. so they are going to school much further from their home. .big deal.. forced or not.. Yes, it's within the district because we dont' have a consolidated district. If they are getting bussed who cares how far it is from their house.. the argument I though you werer making is that the studens from the less desirable part of the district were being sent to the more desireable and THAT was the objection.. that those "poorer" studetns were now gong to school with "wealthier students".
It still doesn't change the argument that I made.. that if there were consolidation perhaps some studetns would be going to other schools within the district NOT the closest one to their home.. but again..it wouldn't be an entire school but a handfull. He was asking why I kept saying 1 or 2.