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Old 07-01-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island, Nu Yawk
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There are many, many policies, programs, laws and symbols the government uses which divide people. Some much more harmful than a simple flag. It is impossible to get everyone to agree on everything.

Because I disagree with something the government does, does that mean they don't represent me? What if they agree with me - does that mean they no longer represent the people who disagree with my position?

I fully appreciate your position on the flag. To you, it has negative connotations. For me, it does not - it has some positive connotations (again, nothing to do with the evils of slavery). As both are personal perceptions, neither of us is wrong. There were slave owners in the north and south. The Civil War was not as simple as "everyone in the south was an evil slave owner and everyone in the north was a valiant emancipator" - despite what the revisionist view of history would like us to believe.

When it comes to a governmental policy, why does your opinion automatically count as "right?" Why is someone with a different view of the same symbol automatically your enemy? (no trust they have your best interests at heart.) Why is the current trend to demonize those with a different view or belief?

Unfortunately, I believe our elected representatives have only their own best interests at heart. Their only job is to get re-elected and insure job security for themselves and their friends.
Thank you Joe and I agree with most of your statement. This experience is a bit too real and raw for me. I buried a friend who died for one reason only...HATE. She was a good person that deserved better. It sickens me to the core to see people embrace this flag, but it is what it is. I say if you want to fly it on your property that is your right. I actually encourage it, it let's me know who I am dealing with.


Oh Joe, don't even get me started about the nepotism in our local government and how I was subtly threatened by cronies supporting Murray because I was campaigning for Port. It was a bizarre experience to say the least.
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island, Nu Yawk
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Sounds good. Sometimes by ignoring rabble rousers (American flag burners, nazi and confederate flag wavers, etc) you neuter them.

And BTW that southern church burning issue is a bit problematic. Some fairly serious folks have suggested the word hoax best describes any linkage to racism (you may want to google it...liberal orthodoxy notwithstanding).
Oh believe that I have a permanent mute button for nutjobs. They will forever get side eye from me. My Navy time did me well. I can throw shade with the best of them.

The church burning is more than a bit problematic, considering the latest church was burned down by the KKK before in the 1990's. If a place of worship isn't safe, nothing is.
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Old 07-01-2015, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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The flag of the confederacy is a flag of treason against the United States. The country you served. Inescapable fact.
Ummm, check the history books for what happened about a bit less than 100 years before the War of Northern Aggression started before tossing the "T" word around.
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Old 07-01-2015, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you. My husband, who is in law enforcement, and I ALWAYS get pulled over and questioned when we drive through South Carolina. I guess 2 middle aged AA's driving with NY license plates fit the profile. One time we were on our way to Florida , driving hubby's truck which sports Fraternal Order of Police plates, and we still got pulled over in South Carolina. The cop started panicking when he realized he messed up and claimed we were "driving too slow"...ugh don't get me started. I could write a book.
Hey, I got pulled over in NC by a AA Trooper. He was pulling over a lot of white people that day. So what's your point?

Regarding burning black churches, that's a crime by some lunatics who are very, very likely racist. Not sure what you're suggesting.

BTW, SC in my other post was for Supreme Court, not South Carolina.
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Old 07-01-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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Oh believe that I have a permanent mute button for nutjobs. They will forever get side eye from me. My Navy time did me well. I can throw shade with the best of them.

The church burning is more than a bit problematic, considering the latest church was burned down by the KKK before in the 1990's. If a place of worship isn't safe, nothing is.
FBI: Lightning may have caused S.C. church fire - CNN.com

Believed to be a lightning strike. No signs of an accelerant. Of course that doesn't fit the media's objective to create conflict which generates ratings.

Errin, sometimes one needs to look before jumping to conclusions.
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Old 07-01-2015, 11:58 AM
 
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Hey, I got pulled over in NC by a AA Trooper. He was pulling over a lot of white people that day. So what's your point?

Regarding burning black churches, that's a crime by some lunatics who are very, very likely racist. Not sure what you're suggesting.

BTW, SC in my other post was for Supreme Court, not South Carolina.
I assume you have googled southern church fire hoax. Numerous articles have exposed the hoax from the 1990's and most recent hoaxes. Here is the most recent article:

Black Church Burnings: Another Hoax Epidemic | National Review Online
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Old 07-01-2015, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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I stand corrected Oh Bee Have, and that situation is just as horrific! Being that my paternal grandfather was half Irish/German explains a lot. We are at this time discussing American History. If you want to start a thread on the Irish Experience I'd be happy to read and learn...btw my German-Irish great grandfather was disowned by his "proud Irish family" . When my oldest son was 12 we took a trip to England to visit family. That trip started my son's hobby (genealogy) and 2 years later we traced our family lineage back to Ireland and Germany. I have actually traveled to Dublin and Mountbellew to meet a few members of the family(on invitation)...let's just say the German family members were much nicer.

I am wrapped in Black History because it is my experience . My grandfather never talked about his father, other than he was a good family man and adored his children. My parents are here by way of Belize (British Honduras) and I think my paternal great grandfather worked the mahogany forests. I have 2 pictures of him...that's about it.
The Irish in the article I posted did wind up in Virginia -- that's about as American History as we can get. Slavery was a terrible time in our history, and I do believe we need to remember it accurately, just as we need to remember the Holocaust.

My family (father's side, Irish) has some distant mixed race relatives, no doubt descendants of our common ancestors in the Caribbean.

As for who is nicer -- Irish or German -- as with any individual, it's a coin flip. My husband's Irish family is much nicer than his German side. Go figure. BUT when my son dated outside his race, I am sad to say both sides got their knickers in a knot. Meanwhile, my mom's side (Hispanic) everyone dates whomever they please and everyone is happy.
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Old 07-01-2015, 12:25 PM
 
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Thank you Joe and I agree with most of your statement. This experience is a bit too real and raw for me. I buried a friend who died for one reason only...HATE. She was a good person that deserved better. It sickens me to the core to see people embrace this flag, but it is what it is. I say if you want to fly it on your property that is your right. I actually encourage it, it let's me know who I am dealing with.


Oh Joe, don't even get me started about the nepotism in our local government and how I was subtly threatened by cronies supporting Murray because I was campaigning for Port. It was a bizarre experience to say the least.
And thank you for participating in a reasoned discussion where adults can disagree without name-calling and other childish, ignorant tactics. It is refreshing.

One final point about "knowing who you are dealing with." The confederate flag is like many symbols - it means different things to different people.

Someone may fly it to express their hate for a group of people. Others may fly it for more noble reasons. Still others may fly it because they watched a "Dukes of Hazzard" rerun and thought it looked cool.

It's like judging a book by its cover when you don't have your reading glasses on. People are individuals and the only way to know them is to know them. Don't judge them by the flag you think they fly, the color of their skin, the God the worship, their national origin or some other unrelated criteria which the media and society likes to pidgeon-hole into a stereotype.
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Old 07-01-2015, 02:44 PM
 
Location: 78745
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God bless him. Its time the liberal retards get a dose of their own medicine, Im tired of having to accept gay rights, muslim rights, and all this other bs going on in a country I served, I will be accepting to your beliefs even though mine differ, but wil you be accepting to mine?
I really don't care how you believe or if you're a bigot or not, just as long as you play fair and keep your religion out of politics, we'll all get along much better. Frankly I'm getting a little sick and tired of this country catering to the religionists. But I accept and tolerate religionists because in this country they have a right to be a religionist and i want to be respectable. All i ask is just keep the religions out of politics.i don't need a Bible to tell me that killing and stealing, and lieiing and cheating are wrong.
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Old 07-01-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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Why keep religion out of politics since we've now brought sexual practices into it? It's all politics now, well except for the important stuff like the economy and protecting the borders.
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