Pit bull kills 9 year old girl in Elmont NY (Russell: school, college)
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Here are facts right here. Top 10 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds Based On Their Fatalities
Pit Bulls have killed 212 people and maimed 1,268 compared to the Rottweiler with 87 deaths and 227 maimed from 1882-2012. Note how much deadlier pit bulls are than rottweilers? Rottweilers are the next deadliest breed of dog after pit bulls. And I counted about 3 incidents this year involving pit bulls. Plus pit bulls are responsible for 27 out of 42 fatalities involving dog bites in 2014. 2014 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org
It's a media conspiracy to defame these lovely dogs.
Hey doufuses, get your tough guy on some other way and keep these dogs out of my neighborhood, ok?
This breed needs to be banned. End of story. So many municipalities (and countries) have instituted a ban based upon the factual data presented in this thread. Long Island needs to institute a similar policy. Too many children have senselessly lost their lives.
I had a temporary neighbor (who was renting, and has now left, house sold), who possessed one of these dogs. They would leave the dog outside often. The renter (or owner, unclear) installed a small fence several feet in height, assuming that would be enough to protect the neighborhood, including 3 young children who lived next door. One day, the dog not only jumped the fence, it ended up in my backyard, unleashed, no owner to be found. This man (and myself) is extremely lucky I noticed the dog outside in the yard before stepping outside, otherwise, who knows what could have happened. The Town was called shortly thereafter, all neighbors with children warned, the individual moved, house sold. NO ONE should have to live in fear of a dog, with a genetic aggressive predisposition, roaming their neighborhood, inflicting potentially lethal injury. The dog involved in yesterday's event could not be clawed off of the child, for minutes. What occurred yesterday is unfathomable.
The actual facts are the news stories of pit bulls killing people.
The only story of a dog killing someone I can remember I the last 10 years that wasn't a Rottweiler or Pit Bull was a golden retriever who was pulling on a toddlers scarf and strangled him. Obviously the dog wasn't trying to kill the kid intentionally, which you can't say about a pit bull that bites off a kids face.
Obviously the owner takes all the blame (the dog is dead), but shouldn't be allowed to have a dangerous dog in the first place.
Seriously? "Facts" are defined on your personal recollection of news stories? Sounds like the Brian Williams school of research.
That's as scientifically valid as my personal experience with owners of breeds classified as "pitfalls" - all of whom had dogs that were friendly and perfectly safe. Unfortunately, none of these owners were drug dealers or people who wanted aggressive dogs. Neither is my personal experience with two dogs, both of which were friendly "family" breeds and went aggressive to the point of needing to be put down. They could have easily killed someone given the opportunity, but as responsible dog owners we never gave them that opportunity.
There are people who shouldn't be allowed to have ANY dog (as any dog can be dangerous). Just like there are people who shouldn't be allowed to have kids (which can grow up to be more dangerous than a dog).
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Originally Posted by kmrlongisland
Too easy, 60 seconds of searching for "insurance rates pitbull". The data indicates that pitbulls are responsible for a proportionally large number of attacks resulting in death or physical deformation.
A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls, almost 9 percent were from Rottweilers and 6 percent were from mixes of those two breeds.
A 15-year study published in 2009 in the American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology revealed that pit bulls, Rottweilers and German shepherds were responsible for the majority of fatal dog attacks in the state of Kentucky.
And a 2011 study from the Annals of Surgery revealed that "attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs."
Insurance rates are not necessarily a valid source of facts in this area, but I will grant you the others. I will look those up. Thank you for injecting some facts into the discussion. My 60 seconds or searching came up with contradictory information and I am interested as to how there is such a discrepancy.
Also note that the 2009 study you cite was done is Kentucky and has been been contradicted by other studies which directly refute its claims. I think there are preconceptions on both sides of the issue and it is difficult to get at the real story.
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Originally Posted by yankeefan93
Here are facts right here. Top 10 Most Dangerous Dog Breeds Based On Their Fatalities
Pit Bulls have killed 212 people and maimed 1,268 compared to the Rottweiler with 87 deaths and 227 maimed from 1882-2012. Note how much deadlier pit bulls are than rottweilers? Rottweilers are the next deadliest breed of dog after pit bulls. And I counted about 3 incidents this year involving pit bulls. Plus pit bulls are responsible for 27 out of 42 fatalities involving dog bites in 2014. 2014 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org
Likewise, thank you for providing actual sources as opposed to opinion and conjecture. These numbers also contradict the studies in the links I posted. I would be curious to see how BOTH studies define "pit bull." It is unlikely that these dogs carried around breed registration papers, and "pitbull" covers several breeds/mixes.
It is also interesting where you cite there were 212 pitbull caused deaths in the 130 years form 1882-2012 - that's an average of 1.6 per year. Yet in 2014 there were 42. That's either an explosion in incidents or a difference in methodology/definitions.
But hey, perhaps we should outlaw Pitbulls AND Rottweilers. That would make the #3 dog on the list #1 and we would have to outlaw that. Why not just outlaw any dog that weight more than 10 pounds? Or require all dogs to have their teeth removed at birth?
It's like every banned or overly restricted item is the result of a few bad people doing stupid things. The majority is punished by the minority.
One day, the dog not only jumped the fence, it ended up in my backyard, unleashed, no owner to be found. This man (and myself) is extremely lucky I noticed the dog outside in the yard before stepping outside, otherwise, who knows what could have happened. The Town was called shortly thereafter, all neighbors with children warned, the individual moved, house sold. NO ONE should have to live in fear of a dog, with a genetic aggressive predisposition, roaming their neighborhood, inflicting potentially lethal injury. The dog involved in yesterday's event could not be clawed off of the child, for minutes. What occurred yesterday is unfathomable.
This and similar stories are enough to tell you that they should be turned into a dying breed. You see one in your yard unleashed and you can't help but fear it. EXACTLY like a crazy person who will act spontaneously without reason or cause. We don't want this around, plain and simple.
And a 2011 study from the Annals of Surgery revealed that "attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs."
From the government page on that study:
"Our Trauma and Emergency Surgery Services treated 228 patients with dog bite injuries; for 82 of those patients, the breed of dog involved was recorded (29 were injured by pit bulls)."
One hospital. 228 patients treated, but only 82 (~36%) recorded the breed. No word as to how breed was identified or why only certain cases had the breed recorded.
I'm not saying the studies referenced in the articles I linked to are any better. Just pointing out that this doesn't seem like a very comprehensive study.
One day, the dog not only jumped the fence, it ended up in my backyard, unleashed, no owner to be found. This man (and myself) is extremely lucky I noticed the dog outside in the yard before stepping outside, otherwise, who knows what could have happened.
Who knows? Exactly.
You apparently don't have much experience with dogs. Your inherent fear of the strange dog would also have made matters worse.
I have had strange dogs in my yard on a few occasions (3 or 4, can't remember exactly). All were large breeds and jumped a decent sized fence to get it. None were "pitbulls." None were "known" dogs from the neighborhood. I had no problem assessing the situation and helping animal control when they arrived. None of the animals tried to attack me, but I also have some experience approaching strange animals and danger signs are pretty easy to recognize.
Any strange animal in your yard presents a potential danger. If you are uncomfortable around domestic animals you don't know, call the town and do not approach it. That holds true for ANY breed of ANY animal.
It's funny how the same people who are afraid of a pitbull would have no problem approaching a horse. That's 1,100 pounds of power. One kick can crush your skull. It can pick up an adult human in its teeth and throw you across a room. People interact with dogs on a more regular basis than horses (dogs live in our house) yet there are about as many equestrian related fatalities annually as there are dog related fatalities, much more for horses on a "per animal" basis. (20 for horses with 9.2 million in the US, 20-30 for dogs with 78 million in the US).
The same people who let their kids put fingers and faces up to a horse's mouth (which many horses WILL bit off) would run for shelter if they saw a "pitbull" on a leash across the street. It is all about perception, and perception is not necessarily reality.
Likewise, thank you for providing actual sources as opposed to opinion and conjecture. These numbers also contradict the studies in the links I posted. I would be curious to see how BOTH studies define "pit bull." It is unlikely that these dogs carried around breed registration papers, and "pitbull" covers several breeds/mixes.
It is also interesting where you cite there were 212 pitbull caused deaths in the 130 years form 1882-2012 - that's an average of 1.6 per year. Yet in 2014 there were 42. That's either an explosion in incidents or a difference in methodology/definitions.
But hey, perhaps we should outlaw Pitbulls AND Rottweilers. That would make the #3 dog on the list #1 and we would have to outlaw that. Why not just outlaw any dog that weight more than 10 pounds? Or require all dogs to have their teeth removed at birth?
It's like every banned or overly restricted item is the result of a few bad people doing stupid things. The majority is punished by the minority.
I wouldn't necessarily recommend owning a pit bull or a rottweiler especially if you want people to come to your house. Hell I wouldn't own a German Shepherd as they are huge and belong in the police force.
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Originally Posted by Joe461
It's funny how the same people who are afraid of a pitbull would have no problem approaching a horse. That's 1,100 pounds of power. One kick can crush your skull. It can pick up an adult human in its teeth and throw you across a room.
Horses are no where near as aggressive as pit bulls are. A horse will only kick a person if provoked but a pit bull will attack at will without warning usually with deadly force.
Last edited by yankeefan93; 11-09-2015 at 10:04 PM..
How did the dog come into so close contact with the child?
The child came to a play date at the house and the owners gf left the kids alone with the pit bull. Unfortunately that was a HUGE mistake as the dog took advantage of the fact that there were 3 defenseless kids and mortally wounded the 9 yr old girl before getting shot by a police officer.
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