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Old 02-06-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Bumpkinsville
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I like the private island idea better.
Me too! But you know...a bird in the hand and all that....
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Old 02-06-2016, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Kings Park, NY
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I actually like where this thread went! Lots of interesting stuff here.

I knew that parts of the north shore used to be part of CT. Also, even now people from the north fork (and even certain areas of the north shore) speak differently and do not have the typical lawn guyland accent. That accent tends to only be on the south shore. (Hold for east hampton), bonackers anyone? But this is a topic for an entire new thread, which has been done many a time before, haha.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonackers

Long Island really is jam packed with history. Just today I was driving through Smithtown proper on my way home and saw the sign that said "established 1655" and I just thought to myself "God damn this place is old"
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Old 02-06-2016, 05:14 PM
 
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For some odd reason, some neighborhoods of the south shore are hilly... like a certain neighborhood in Farmingdale
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Old 02-06-2016, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Kings Park, NY
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For some odd reason, some neighborhoods of the south shore are hilly... like a certain neighborhood in Farmingdale
I don't consider Farmingdale the south shore though. Nor do I consider towns like commack the north shore. Only towns that are bordered by water make the cut as "shore" towns to me.
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Old 02-06-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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I don't consider Farmingdale the south shore though. Nor do I consider towns like commack the north shore. Only towns that are bordered by water make the cut as "shore" towns to me.
Wow, so that would mean that Valley Stream, Lynbrook, Hewlett, Islip Terrace and Bohemia are not South Shore towns despite some or all parts of those towns being within a couple minutes walking distance of the water and south of sunrise hwy.
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Old 02-06-2016, 08:44 PM
 
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Wow, so that would mean that Valley Stream, Lynbrook, Hewlett, Islip Terrace and Bohemia are not South Shore towns despite some or all parts of those towns being within a couple minutes walking distance of the water and south of sunrise hwy.
With the exception of Valley Stream(and maybe Hewlett), those places would be inland- in the center of the island. Try walking from Islip Terrace or Bohemia to the water! I generally consider the south shore to be south of Sunrise. North shore= north of 25A.

The differences between the shores is quite interesting, considering the small distance involved.

I liked to swim on the north shore (My favorite beach was at the end of Roanoke Ave. in Riverhead).
I always prefered boating in the Great South Bay. (The GSB was probably about the best thing about LI!)
I liked the flatness of the south shore.

Funny, how both shores have a radically different climate/atmosphere, too. North shore often gets more snow and ice; south shore gets that fog and mist that I love.... South shore feels summery or "beachy" even in the winter...North shore feels wintery/New Englandy even in the summer!
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Westbury,NY
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This is exactly what makes Long Island so unique, interesting, and fun!
The North Shore has more hilly terrain and reminds me alot of Westchester and the Hudson Valley. The South Shore is flat, and reminds me more of Southern New Jersey, particularly as you head east, with it's rivers, wetlands, and swamps.
Of course LI's terrain also changes from west to east.
In the western part, particularly Nassau, the middle and northern parts have the hills, but the south shore and central Nassau areas are flat. As one moves east the spine of hills moves toward the middle. This is all due to the effects of the last Ice Age, while the south shore and parts of the middle were part of an old outwash plain, the hills were pushed up and carved by the glaciers. This Moraine runs down the spine of the island. In Nassau, it's highest places are along the Harbor Hill Moraine, in Roslyn for example.
In Suffolk, the Ronkonkoma Moraine has some LI's high points, such as Bald Hill in Selden, or the Manorville Hills further east. This same moraine actually stretched onto the south fork, which has more hills than the relatively flat north fork, such as in North Sea.
Before suburbanization, Long Island had several great ecosystems. My favorite, the largest of what remains, is the Pine Barrens. Nassau mostly had the Hempstead Plains, which were a large prairie grassland that stretched into Queens, to the north, hardwood forests, and to the south, swamps of the south shore.
The Pine Barrens actually an influence into Nassau from as far west as what is now East Meadow, and there's quite a few Pitch Pines in the Eisenhower Golf Course, as well as some in the park itself and even on some streets in East Meadow itself by what is now a TOH water facility. And Bethpage was probably where the Pine Barrens began in ernest, Bethpage State Park, for instance has many Pines.
The Pine Barrens reached all the way down to the south shore from Massapequa on east. And as one works further east, toward what is now Smithtown, the Pine Barrens intermingled with hardwood forests of the north shore. Even in Wildwood State Park, Pitch Pines are present.
Unlike New Jersey's Pine Barrens, Long Island's have some pretty decent hills, such as in Manorville Hills, Rocky Point,etc. Rocky Point actually has a unique "sandhills" area, featuring smaller Pitch Pines and large sand hills that was carved by glaciers. There are only 2 other places like this on Long Island, one, called Friar's Head, was unfortunetly developed into a Golf Course. The other, in Quogue off Spinney Road, is the subject a battle to save them, as another developer wants to build a luxury golf course here. But we are getting major support to save them, as actor Alec Baldwin has now joined the battle to preserve this land.
Here's what these sandhills look like in Rocky Point preserve. An absolutely beautiful, unique place to Long Island.



Another unique feature of Long Island are kettle hole ponds (again not present in NJ Pines). These can dry up during dry periods. There's several, some large (like Lake Ronkonkoma) and some small (like the Tarkill Ponds in Brookhaven State Park). These were caused by large chunks of the glacier causing depressions in the ground.


Then another unique environment are the barrier islands, places like the Fire Island National Seashore, with unique forests and coastal ecosystems such as the Sunken Forest, where stunted trees grow in the swale protected from salt spray by the dunes. This ecosystem also exists in Napeague, known as the Napeague Dunelands, which is forest of Pitch Pines in the dunes east of Amagansett. As one heads east the hills pick up again toward Montauk Point and hardwood forests come back, with more of a North Shore look.
Climates can vary widely as well, such as in summer, when the north shore is baking, while the south shore can be as much as 20 degrees cooler with a seabreeze. There's also areas in the Pine Barrens so flat, sandy, such as the dwarf Pine Plains in Westhampton, where temperatures are night can be quite a bit cooler than other areas due to the excellent conditions for radiational cooling. On a calm, clear winter night, temperatures in the single digits are actually quite common here.
It is unfortunate that many of these ecosystems have been lost. The Hempstead Plans is the real tragedy, only small portions remain around Eisenhower Park and Nassau Community College.
Much of the Pine Barrens have been lost, especially in western Suffolk. Edgewood Preserve is a good example of what the area was like before it was developed. But further east, many parks and preserves have kept them intact. Same for the North Shore hardwoods, alot exists privately in Nassau, with some parks as well. Better places east, such as Caumsett and Nissequogue.
Much of the south shore wetlands have been lost, but there's still some nice (albiet small) parks like Mill Lake in Wantagh. Again, better examples east. The barrier islands are the one place that have been protected mostly from development, except for Long Beach, most are parklands or small beach towns (like Saltaire).
Long Island has actually done a much better job preserving it's oceanfront areas versus New Jersey, but its the complete opposite when it comes to the Pine Barrens. It's unfortunate plans for developments won't die even with the widespread knowledge that so much has been lost already. I hope the more folks learn about the importance of these places the more likely everything that is left will be saved.
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Kings Park, NY
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With the exception of Valley Stream(and maybe Hewlett), those places would be inland- in the center of the island. Try walking from Islip Terrace or Bohemia to the water! I generally consider the south shore to be south of Sunrise. North shore= north of 25A.

The differences between the shores is quite interesting, considering the small distance involved.

I liked to swim on the north shore (My favorite beach was at the end of Roanoke Ave. in Riverhead).
I always prefered boating in the Great South Bay. (The GSB was probably about the best thing about LI!)
I liked the flatness of the south shore.

Funny, how both shores have a radically different climate/atmosphere, too. North shore often gets more snow and ice; south shore gets that fog and mist that I love.... South shore feels summery or "beachy" even in the winter...North shore feels wintery/New Englandy even in the summer!
Agreed. I know what you mean about the north shore feeling wintery and new englandy, it's just the way the towns are set up I think. The south shore does seem to get more sunlight, lol. Who knows, it could all be our imaginations. Either way, living down the road from the bluffs makes it feel summer enough for me! I also think south shore wins best "summer area" is due to the flat fine sand beaches versus the north shores rocky quiet sound.
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Old 02-07-2016, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Bumpkinsville
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Agreed. I know what you mean about the north shore feeling wintery and new englandy, it's just the way the towns are set up I think. The south shore does seem to get more sunlight, lol. Who knows, it could all be our imaginations. Either way, living down the road from the bluffs makes it feel summer enough for me! I also think south shore wins best "summer area" is due to the flat fine sand beaches versus the north shores rocky quiet sound.
Very true! Thoise bluffs, especially out east, are really quite unique for that area. For some reason, I used to love walking on the beaches below them in the winter. It really makes one feel like they are in a totally different place, far from the rest of LI/NYC! I used to love going to that park (I think it was Wildwood?) and walking down the beach to the nukular[sic] plant.

On the south shore, have you ever explored all those little back streets in Oakdale, with all the houses on the many creek branches, with the little bridges on half the streets? That is truly a unique place- like something out of a storybook! (If somebody put a gun to my head and forced me to live on LI, that is where I'd live. Meh...by now, like everything else on LI, it's probably over-developed!)
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