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Run for local office if you want to change it so bad.
Yes, because it's as simple as that. Nevermind the fact that many at our age are working many hours to meet these costs and that's before having to tend to child activities (3x a week for me, then weekends too).
What could a teacher possibly do to earn $157k when MANY others can do what she does? There is no rhyme or reason for this absurdity. These people need to be taken out back for this thievery.
All jobs have a salary range, from nothing to millions of dollars. It is pretty clear what those ranges are. If a 4th grade teacher makes $157,000 and you want to make $157,000, start your process for trying to become a 4th grade teacher.
All jobs have a salary range, from nothing to millions of dollars. It is pretty clear what those ranges are. If a 4th grade teacher makes $157,000 and you want to make $157,000, start your process for trying to become a 4th grade teacher.
Do I really have to say it again? It's not about MY salary - we do fine on income, but affordability has nothing to do with this. And why do you defend it by asking people to settle into careers based on pay? Is this what living in NY has become?
You're right about having a salary range. Teachers in public schools based on supply & demand, education, revenue generation, skill required, risk, hours, etc. should not get anywhere near $160k. Ever. This is why there is no legitimate justification for their high salaries here. How do they even sound when at the "collective bargaining" table? I need a laugh after talking about this again.
Not a teacher, but just to clarify, no one is graduating college and getting six figures as a teacher. I'm sure that person is years and years into the profession with plenty of continuing education credits. Is it a lot? Yea, it definitely is. Plenty of people make way more much money than others think "is right" in other professions as well. Again, everyone here could have been a teacher if they wanted. It never was some unreachable, only your family makes it in profession.
Yes, those Peanut Allergy course really can add to one's salary. We had a Drivers ED teacher in Half Hollow Hills District making ab6ut $160,000 per year.
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Yes, those Peanut Allergy course really can add to one's salary. We had a Drivers ED teacher in Half Hollow Hills District making ab6ut $160,000 per year.
I would normally never justify an exorbitant salary like this but for teaching drivers ed, they are worth it. I would not want to be teaching it......
Anyone with a license in any profession has to earn CE credits. Please teachers, stop crying about continuing education when you have about 16 weeks more per year than the average person to get your CE credits done - and get paid extra for keeping your license valid.
What I've learned:
1. Magnet schools are just a way to keep bad schools accredited and open, and keep those kids away from the good neighborhoods.
2. Great students do great and not so good students do pretty good too. Many schools will bend over backwards to keep a kid moving forward and out the door. In the old days if you didn't do well in algebra you were left back, now if a kid is failing they'll be given extra projects and homework to help their grades. They won't learn much but the school will keep them moving.
3. Schools are more about real estate than educating the young.
Outside of the prep and STEM schools I've become very skeptical about the numbers schools put out.
So here is a question...and answer honestly...have you EVER voted against the suggested candidate of your union leaders?! If so, give us an example?
Lol, I'm probably half the age of all the keyboard cruisers on this forum. Last time I voted was in '08, and I was registered where I went to college. Now that I own a home I'll be more inclined to vote in my local elections, but I'm not some union-blinded voter, sorry to ruin your image of me.
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Anyone with a license in any profession has to earn CE credits. Please teachers, stop crying about continuing education when you have about 16 weeks more per year than the average person to get your CE credits done - and get paid extra for keeping your license valid.
I've switched a couple different job fields before settling into what I'm doing now. PLENTY of gigs offer compensation for more training and certs. Sorry. Next.
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Originally Posted by mvres
All jobs have a salary range, from nothing to millions of dollars. It is pretty clear what those ranges are. If a 4th grade teacher makes $157,000 and you want to make $157,000, start your process for trying to become a 4th grade teacher.
This right here.
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Do I really have to say it again? It's not about MY salary - we do fine on income, but affordability has nothing to do with this. And why do you defend it by asking people to settle into careers based on pay? Is this what living in NY has become?
You're right about having a salary range. Teachers in public schools based on supply & demand, education, revenue generation, skill required, risk, hours, etc. should not get anywhere near $160k. Ever. This is why there is no legitimate justification for their high salaries here. How do they even sound when at the "collective bargaining" table? I need a laugh after talking about this again.
Yea. I'd love to live in my truck taking pictures and mountain bike for the rest of my life. Want to talk about a hard career to get into? Pay for that is pretty low, 99 times out of a 100. You think someone grew up wanting to be a garbage man? Or an accountant? No... they chose their career because it paid.
I won't get into the risks you can't see about working as a teacher. Ever work with developmentally disabled kids? Plenty of young women out there working in special ed with 18-20 year old kids twice their size with the inability to control physical outbursts. Plenty of other non-teaching professionals getting paid **** to deal with it as well. I never said all teachers deserve what they get, but some deserve a LOT more, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Taxlesslivemore
Yes, those Peanut Allergy course really can add to one's salary. We had a Drivers ED teacher in Half Hollow Hills District making ab6ut $160,000 per year.
Again, see above. You work 7-3, making widgets. You've been making widgets 7-3 for 20 years. Now you have some spare time, or maybe need or want some more money, or hell, maybe you just want to learn how to make some different widgets so you take some training courses learning to make a different widget from 3-5 twice a week. Do you do that for FREE? Idk what some of you think. That driver's ed teacher doesn't work 6 hours a week making $160k.
Plenty of teachers suck. Also, plenty of accountants suck, plenty of cops suck, plenty of garbage workers suck, plenty of IT people suck, plenty of lawyers suck. ****ty people exist everywhere.
What I've learned:
1. Magnet schools are just a way to keep bad schools accredited and open, and keep those kids away from the good neighborhoods.
3. Schools are more about real estate than educating the young.
Outside of the prep and STEM schools I've become very skeptical about the numbers schools put out.
1. Only speaking about where I live but that's not true - in fact it's the opposite - magnet schools exist to get kids out of inner city schools into suburban schools - they basically "trade" seats with a kid in a suburban school. If I send my 3 kids to a magnet school, then 3 kids who live in the 'hood get seats at my kids' schools.
I think you are confusing MAGNET schools with CHARTER schools, which for the most part are BS.
3. Again not true where I live. One of the worst high schools in Wake County draws probably half if not more of its student body from some of the wealthiest areas of Cary. Houses up to $5 million in that zone. Meanwhile my kids go to the highest performing schools in the county (HS is on this infernal list) and you can get a SFH for under $300K. It's one of the things I like best about living here - you don't have to pay a small fortune for a house to live in a nice, safe area and get a really highly regarded school.
I think what my example above shows is how a school can be brought down by a small percentage of kids who go off to school every day looking to cause mayhem. The school that draws from the wealthiest part of Cary also draws from a bad area of Raleigh and it's amazing how much trouble they cause.
I've switched a couple different job fields before settling into what I'm doing now. PLENTY of gigs offer compensation for more training and certs. Sorry. Next.
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For continuing your education? Sure. I get paid every time I get an insurance related designation under my belt. For CONTINUING ED? Sorry - there's a difference, and the constant whining about having to get CE credits when you have the entire freaking summer to do it, a week in December, February and April and various other days though out the year (maybe some of the superintendents can do it on Arbor Day, one of their paid holidays) is just another symptom of the entitlement of NY teachers. And getting paid extra for taking BS courses is BS.
Remember the Newsday expose a few years ago about the teachers who were taking 50 CE credits a month? Yes, I'm sure they're showing up for the classes, and getting something out of them. Sure. Oh, those poor put upon teachers.
When I take my CE classes, I do it during the work day as work piles up on my desk, not on a Professional Development Day when someone else is there to do my work for me.
Women working with disabled students who might hurt them? Oh, sounds like they made a bad career choice. They had the same opportunity as everyone else to go into a different field. They could have been a reading specialist. Or a middle school social studies teacher. Or a doctor or nurse or lawyer. But they chose that path. Oh, don't like that soundbite?
Yeah, there are sucky people in every profession. They usually lose their jobs. They don't get to continue on in the same job year after year until someone pries the job from their hands. They also aren't paid for with tax dollars.
Sorry. Next.
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