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Old 04-23-2018, 11:34 AM
 
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Homeowners would be smart to buy a few quality power tools and an OSHA graded ladder and take care of some fixes themselves (I did). It's cost effective and the skill level isn't too high for many tasks. As you do more of this, your skill level will improve.

I get it you don't want to stay home on weekends and fix things, although the time it takes to find competent people, wait for the work to be done and make the money back that you paid them takes up a lot of your free time.

Also, a fix you did yourself is surprisingly gratifying.

As for paying people, the work I paid for done by handymen came to about $75-$100 an hour. Some of it good, some not. Oftentimes I had to fix up work I paid them for.

The plumber's work came to about $400 an hour (he does jobs "by project, not by the hour"), but I was clearly taken advantage of because I needed work done fast to close on my house in Nassau.
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Old 04-23-2018, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Hey I agree, but the same thing goes for fair/wage vs cost of living.. Just because it is expensive to live somewhere does not mean that you get paid more for your skills..
Try telling that LI teachers and police.

Ducks and runs.......
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:00 PM
 
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Homeowners would be smart to buy a few quality power tools and an OSHA graded ladder and take care of some fixes themselves (I did). It's cost effective and the skill level isn't too high for many tasks. As you do more of this, your skill level will improve.

I get it you don't want to stay home on weekends and fix things, although the time it takes to find competent people, wait for the work to be done and make the money back that you paid them takes up a lot of your free time.

Also, a fix you did yourself is surprisingly gratifying.

As for paying people, the work I paid for done by handymen came to about $75-$100 an hour. Some of it good, some not. Oftentimes I had to fix up work I paid them for.

The plumber's work came to about $400 an hour (he does jobs "by project, not by the hour"), but I was clearly taken advantage of because I needed work done fast to close on my house in Nassau.
I understand what your saying about a handyman but do you think that a company that remodels your kitchen or your bathroom or does your siding should pay employees $75 an hour? I personally don't know any residential carpenter employees that make $600 a day... If you were to add that with insurances and payroll tax the homeowner couldn't afford a week of work..
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:01 PM
 
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Try telling that LI teachers and police.

Ducks and runs.......
I don't duck and run... I'm having a conversation. I'm open to all of this. It is interesting to see people's thoughts..
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Interesting link:
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472031.htm

Annual mean wage (2017) for carpenters in Nassau/Suffolk is $66,440.00

My husband is a carpenter with 42 years under his belt. We have a small home improvement business. One thing I've noticed is that when we are looking to hire quality guys who want steady work, everyone who answers the ads thinks they are worth $40-$50 per hour. Some of these are young bucks who have maybe 8-10 years under their belts; in no way do they have all the knowledge and skills of a full mechanic.

Then there are the homeowners who want top notch work at bargain bin prices; they don't understand why the estimate is higher than that of the man who randomly hires a warm body from in front of the Home Depot.
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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I don't duck and run... I'm having a conversation. I'm open to all of this. It is interesting to see people's thoughts..
I was ducking and running from the teachers and cops.
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:10 PM
 
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$40k is @ $20/hr. Where would you expect to get skilled or reliable help for that?! Even a guy outside Home Depot willing to push a broom or pull a rake gets $15/hr.

That said, why are we giving fat IDA tax breaks to companies promising to create $10-$13/hr jobs and who is supposed to live here on that?!
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:25 PM
 
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I understand what your saying about a handyman but do you think that a company that remodels your kitchen or your bathroom or does your siding should pay employees $75 an hour? I personally don't know any residential carpenter employees that make $600 a day... If you were to add that with insurances and payroll tax the homeowner couldn't afford a week of work..
That's why I wanted to keep them away as much as possible, or go broke pronto. I also had to pay for supplies. Handymen are usually unreliable and do sloppy work so they can get out faster. I would know because I went through about 10 of them.

I think your best bet would be to hire apprentices and train them. The rough work doesn't take all that much skill.
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Old 04-23-2018, 12:29 PM
 
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Interesting link:
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472031.htm

Annual mean wage (2017) for carpenters in Nassau/Suffolk is $66,440.00

My husband is a carpenter with 42 years under his belt. We have a small home improvement business. One thing I've noticed is that when we are looking to hire quality guys who want steady work, everyone who answers the ads thinks they are worth $40-$50 per hour. Some of these are young bucks who have maybe 8-10 years under their belts; in no way do they have all the knowledge and skills of a full mechanic.

Then there are the homeowners who want top notch work at bargain bin prices; they don't understand why the estimate is higher than that of the man who randomly hires a warm body from in front of the Home Depot.
Interesting. So what do you pay your men? Say you have a person with 4-5 years experience who is a Jr. Mechanic. What is his total package?
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Old 04-23-2018, 05:50 PM
 
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I'm just wondering how much money do you think a residential carpenter or jr carpenter should make?
Lead carpenter should get atleast 75k with decent health benefits. Even a paid cellphone would be appropriate. Per day, $350. A jr Carpenter depends on experience. 5-7 years 25/hr cash.
I started for $70/day in 96. I had a great boss who always bumped my salary as I performed more. I left him reluctantly after 12 years with 75k, health insurance, paid cellphone and paid transportation/gas. Best decision I was ever forced to make.
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