U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > Long Island
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-27-2018, 05:40 AM
 
2,748 posts, read 3,013,770 times
Reputation: 2349

Advertisements

In what scenario would we need to do a mass evacuation of Long Island to the extent that one dinky tunnel would make a lick of difference? Long Island is a fairly disaster-adverse location, weather-wise; Sandy was a massive outlier, and didn’t come close to requiring evacuation of anywhere except some select very flood-prone areas. I’d be far more worried about an event that affects the city, and people pouring east to avoid it (something else that Sandy didn’t trigger despite the serious impact it had on lower Manhattan and Brooklyn).

Unless your home is compromised, you’re generally better staying in it for 99% of the disasters we’re likely to face. And no tunnel is going to help millions of people leave all at once. It can take hours upon hours to get over the freakin Verrazano or up the 95 corridor through New Haven during peak times. Just the nature of living in a densely populated area.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-27-2018, 09:17 AM
 
4,133 posts, read 6,709,331 times
Reputation: 2212
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdawg8181 View Post
But what about evacuating people in case of a hurricane?


We saw what Sandy did ... we are essentially trapped here!
huh? Since when do you need to evacuate all of Long Island for a hurricane? Even one as severe as Sandy?

The only good thing about hurricanes is that you know far in advance that they're coming. So if you're in a low lying area - you always have plenty of time to evacuate. But if you wait too long, your tunnel to CT isn't going to help. We saw last year in Florida that people who waited too long were unable to head north due to insane traffic.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2018, 09:44 AM
 
8,141 posts, read 12,513,449 times
Reputation: 3954
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.I.B. View Post
huh? Since when do you need to evacuate all of Long Island for a hurricane? Even one as severe as Sandy?

The only good thing about hurricanes is that you know far in advance that they're coming. So if you're in a low lying area - you always have plenty of time to evacuate. But if you wait too long, your tunnel to CT isn't going to help. We saw last year in Florida that people who waited too long were unable to head north due to insane traffic.
Sandy is just the start ... this is going to become more of an occurrence with stronger and stronger hurricanes. Many places that have never had weather events before are now seeing them.


There WILL be another Sandy...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2018, 09:50 AM
 
4,133 posts, read 6,709,331 times
Reputation: 2212
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdawg8181 View Post
Sandy is just the start ... this is going to become more of an occurrence with stronger and stronger hurricanes. Many places that have never had weather events before are now seeing them.

There WILL be another Sandy...
ok. What I said still stands. You could have a storm worse than Sandy and you still don't need to evacuate all of Long Island...or even a large number of people. And for those that need to evacuate, you still have plenty of time to leave given the advance notice you get with storms of this size.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2018, 09:59 AM
 
8,141 posts, read 12,513,449 times
Reputation: 3954
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.I.B. View Post
ok. What I said still stands. You could have a storm worse than Sandy and you still don't need to evacuate all of Long Island...or even a large number of people. And for those that need to evacuate, you still have plenty of time to leave given the advance notice you get with storms of this size.

One would think but some people do wait ... not everyone has the means to prep and get out ahead of time. It's the smart thing, no doubt, but it's not always feasible for everyone.


Also you don't know if the entire island would have to evacuate or not .. are you able to predict weather events in the future? No one know what will happen.


I happen to believe Sandy is just the beginning and we haven't had 'the big one' yet.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2018, 10:29 AM
 
4,133 posts, read 6,709,331 times
Reputation: 2212
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdawg8181 View Post
One would think but some people do wait ... not everyone has the means to prep and get out ahead of time. It's the smart thing, no doubt, but it's not always feasible for everyone.
So what you're saying is that we should spend billions for a tunnel because some people are dumb.
Quote:
Also you don't know if the entire island would have to evacuate or not .. are you able to predict weather events in the future? No one know what will happen.
It's math. Most of the island is at an elevation that make it safe from flooding.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2018, 10:49 AM
 
3,788 posts, read 6,673,907 times
Reputation: 2650
Quote:
Originally Posted by S.I.B. View Post
So what you're saying is that we should spend billions for a tunnel because some people are dumb.

It's math. Most of the island is at an elevation that make it safe from flooding.
Also using math, even if the following were built:

135 bridge to westchester
sunken meadow parkway bridge to ct
william floyd bridge to ct
south shore bridge to jersey

Using both north shore ferries, opening up east bound lanes to go west bound, with the entire population of nassau and suffolk, you would never evacuate half of that population. and i'm most likely being generous in thinking that half of the two counties would make it off.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2018, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
8,510 posts, read 11,393,776 times
Reputation: 4764
Are our taxes undoubtedly going to increase as a direct result of spending billions on this?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2018, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
7,175 posts, read 8,766,087 times
Reputation: 6948
/\

After the threat of hurricane Gloria in the 80's Virginia got smart and altered I64 the one interstate in/out for the entire Hampton Roads region to allow all the lanes to become west bound only to the beltway around Richmond. They did it by installing automatic gates on the on ramps and creating some cross over locations to disperse the volume of traffic over all the interstate lanes. That type of traffic management can do far more than another crossing over open water, I was amazed that Florida didn't do something similar to expedite their residents getting away from the coast.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2018, 11:00 AM
 
3,788 posts, read 6,673,907 times
Reputation: 2650
Quote:
Originally Posted by ovi8 View Post
Are our taxes undoubtedly going to increase as a direct result of spending billions on this?
Of course. Because the construction will go to the highest bidder who also happens to be the politicians brother or sister or uncle or aunt or great great grandpappy or their fathers bothers cousins former roommate.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:



Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > Long Island
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top