Illegal Rental (Hope: city hall, house, inspector)
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rest of us are picking up the slack for you not paying your fair share in taxes.
sanitation, school services, other services, not to mention i doubt you're claiming rent on your federal taxes.
Explain how are you picking up the slack. I never understand this. You're not taxed by how many people live in your home. Talk about fair share? What about the people paying school tax and don't have any school age children?
rest of us are picking up the slack for you not paying your fair share in taxes.
sanitation, school services, other services, not to mention i doubt you're claiming rent on your federal taxes.
Exactly! It's not about neighbors not being inconvenienced by cars and the such. It's about the extra services that the rest of your neighbors are paying for through their taxes on behalf of your tenants (extra garbage to pick up, police, library, etc, etc). Why should people doing illegal stuff get a free ride?
Explain how are you picking up the slack. I never understand this. You're not taxed by how many people live in your home. Talk about fair share? What about the people paying school tax and don't have any school age children?
Taxpayers ALL chip in for police protection, fire department services, government representation and leadership, library services, road repair, snow removal, garbage pick up, sewers, public health services, etc, etc.
And even if you've NEVER had to call the fire dept or police (which I haven't in my whole life), just like some childless person never uses the public schools, contributing to all of these is part of a social contract. We contribute to them in order to live in a community. So your illegal tenants have a household that benefits from any and all of these while not contributing. Now who do you think has to pick up their part? THE REST OF US!
Explain how are you picking up the slack. I never understand this. You're not taxed by how many people live in your home. Talk about fair share? What about the people paying school tax and don't have any school age children?
Because unlike NYC, there is no income tax on LI. Property taxes are the main source of income for everything from schools to social services and infrastructure. Tenants in illegal apartments are paying nothing in taxes. They are parasites. Scumbag landlords who have illegal apartments are not paying the correct amount of property tax that they should for having an income producing property, never mind the loss of federal and state tax that they should be paying as well on the income generated by the illegal apartment.
I love to hear their crying posts about how they have to take out the apartment. Boo f'n hoo. Do it right the first time with a legal multi family home, pay your proper taxes and take the subsequent deductions that a proper landlord business can take, and you won't have a worry in the world if a neighbor wants to report your apartment.
Explain how are you picking up the slack. I never understand this. You're not taxed by how many people live in your home. Talk about fair share? What about the people paying school tax and don't have any school age children?
Because the tax base is based on "X" number of houses which should roughly translate to "we need X number of people to provide services for those houses". In town with tons of illegal housing there are way more kids than are being accounted for in the schools, for instance. There's also more garbage generated, water used, sewage treated, usually cars parked on the streets, etc etc.
And as noted, even if you never have kids, or use the services provided, it is part of the "greater good" to provide for those things.
Those who rent out their homes aren't entitled to the STAR rebate, as a rental house is classified as a commercial property. Chances are the OP is taking a full rebate from NYS as well. Only the portion lived in by the owner qualifies. If this case goes through a full process he or she may have to pay back the tax savings.
I agree with the sentiments above: buy a two family and do it legally. All LI municipalities are hungry for money and they'll come right after you.
Taxpayers ALL chip in for police protection, fire department services, government representation and leadership, library services, road repair, snow removal, garbage pick up, sewers, public health services, etc, etc.
And even if you've NEVER had to call the fire dept or police (which I haven't in my whole life), just like some childless person never uses the public schools, contributing to all of these is part of a social contract. We contribute to them in order to live in a community. So your illegal tenants have a household that benefits from any and all of these while not contributing. Now who do you think has to pick up their part? THE REST OF US!
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Originally Posted by NSHL10
Because unlike NYC, there is no income tax on LI. Property taxes are the main source of income for everything from schools to social services and infrastructure. Tenants in illegal apartments are paying nothing in taxes. They are parasites. Scumbag landlords who have illegal apartments are not paying the correct amount of property tax that they should for having an income producing property, never mind the loss of federal and state tax that they should be paying as well on the income generated by the illegal apartment.
I love to hear their crying posts about how they have to take out the apartment. Boo f'n hoo. Do it right the first time with a legal multi family home, pay your proper taxes and take the subsequent deductions that a proper landlord business can take, and you won't have a worry in the world if a neighbor wants to report your apartment.
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Originally Posted by twingles
Because the tax base is based on "X" number of houses which should roughly translate to "we need X number of people to provide services for those houses". In town with tons of illegal housing there are way more kids than are being accounted for in the schools, for instance. There's also more garbage generated, water used, sewage treated, usually cars parked on the streets, etc etc.
And as noted, even if you never have kids, or use the services provided, it is part of the "greater good" to provide for those things.
Trying to justify your argument by using economics or town finances is illogical. Here why: A Four Bedroom home with a family of six vs. A Four Bedroom home with two homeowners illegally renting out their upstairs to a family of 4. It's the same thing. It's just technically one's related and the other is not. When I purchased my home, the Town did not ask me how many people would be living in my home. I could have 10 people living in my home. That's not illegal. In long island "fair share" does not coincide with how many people live in your home. If it did then you would have a point. Long Island assesses your home, and says $XXXXX is how much you will pay in property tax. They don't say well you also have 10 people living with you so you will have to pay a little extra. Your definition of fair share is simply everyone in the home is related.
I feel like this... we all need some place to live. As long as you are respectful to the neighborhood, and your home is up to code, live and let live. Speaking of fair share, how about all the businesses that take cash and don't pay taxes on that money. Hmmmmm! I'm sure some of you on here are very familiar with that.
Trying to justify your argument by using economics or town finances is illogical. Here why: A Four Bedroom home with a family of six vs. A Four Bedroom home with two homeowners illegally renting out their upstairs to a family of 4. It's the same thing. It's just technically one's related and the other is not. When I purchased my home, the Town did not ask me how many people would be living in my home. I could have 10 people living in my home. That's not illegal. In long island "fair share" does not coincide with how many people live in your home. If it did then you would have a point. Long Island assesses your home, and says $XXXXX is how much you will pay in property tax. They don't say well you also have 10 people living with you so you will have to pay a little extra. Your definition of fair share is simply everyone in the home is related.
I feel like this... we all need some place to live. As long as you are respectful to the neighborhood, and your home is up to code, live and let live. Speaking of fair share, how about all the businesses that take cash and don't pay taxes on that money. Hmmmmm! I'm sure some of you on here are very familiar with that.
Doesn't matter what you believe. The zoning laws are what they are. Follow the rules, no problem. Don't follow them then you need to worry like the OP.
The assessment on a house with an illegal apartment is wrong. It should be valued more than the same home without an apartment because of the income it can produce. So it should pay more in taxes than a legal home with the same square footage, etc
Doesn't matter what you believe. The zoning laws are what they are. Follow the rules, no problem. Don't follow them then you need to worry like the OP.
The assessment on a house with an illegal apartment is wrong. It should be valued more than the same home without an apartment because of the income it can produce. So it should pay more in taxes than a legal home with the same square footage, etc
So it's a taxation issue... not a "fair share" issue? OK that's more understandable.
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