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No worries, once we redistribute his wealth, we'll all have helicopters.
I wish that would happen. Tax the rich and not the poor, looks like long island is taxing the poor more than the rich. it's quite amazing how morons run the towns.
The problem I have with many of the more-"militant" light-rail advocates (who are often agressive promoters of conspiracy theories) is their refusal to acknowledge the greater flexibility of bus-based systems; nor to recognize that travel patterns may change over the long run and the value of investment in fixed (and usually immovable) facilities diminished.
When a new light-rail line is developed, existent bus service often has to be reconfigured to act as a feeder, and since electric-traction based services (including trolley buses) are more costly both to build and maintain, the bus feeders are either reduced in number, or restructured in such a way that patrons who formerly had the benefits of a direct bus route might now be compelled to transfer to something more roundabout in order to "benefit" from the more-costly, but "improved" rail-based system.
This happens more often than those who think they know best are willing to concede.
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The problem I have with many of the more-"militant" light-rail [light rail is a small subset of electric traction rail] advocates (who are often agressive promoters of conspiracy theories (taint a theory when it's a fact)) is their refusal to acknowledge the greater flexibility of bus-based systems; nor to recognize that travel patterns may change over the long run and the value of investment in fixed (and usually immovable) facilities diminished. [When buildings can migrate faster than rail, I surrender to your logic]
When a new light-rail line is developed, existent bus service often has to be reconfigured to act as a feeder, and since electric-traction based services (including trolley buses) are more costly both to build and maintain, [under current conditions of government taxation and meddling] the bus feeders are either reduced in number, or restructured in such a way that patrons who formerly had the benefits of a direct bus route might now be compelled to transfer to something more roundabout in order to "benefit" from the more-costly, but "improved" rail-based system. [Again, using government administered disasters to substantiate the inferiority of rail, only shows that the 'system' will stifle any attempt at logical and efficient rail service.]
This happens more often than those who think they know best are willing to concede.
No one disputes the convenience and flexibility of bus - just the real cost - in infrastructure, pollution, health, safety, oil wars, etc, etc.
Based on rolling resistance, we know that rail is 90-95% more efficient to operate.
But providing that 'last mile' service may well require buses or other forms of 'people movers'.
In the coming years when the rail renaissance is going on, I'd like to see large employers operate shuttle buses from their sites to the closest rail station.
In an electric traction rail-centric nation, there will be heavy slow freight, fast passenger, fast freight, interurbans, urban, subway, monorail, funicular and possibly cogwheel service. And to supplement that, there may be electric delivery trucks that can tap into the overhead catenary network, to extend the range of their batteries. Ditto, for trolley buses and automobiles.
In short, as population keeps doubling every 40-50 years and the traveling population increases accordingly, it makes MORE SENSE to migrate to electric traction rail that will service high population density development.
Remember, for each doubling in population, you have to double agricultural output. That means expanding arable land and possibly recovering farmland lost to suburbia may become vital to our survival.
It may not look too pressing, when the population is 320 million. In 2069, it may be 640 million. In 2119, population may be 1,280 million (slightly less than the current population of INDIA).
I'm actually disappointed how poor the public transit is here for the amount of taxes we pay and the population. The traffic is insane and could be reduced with good bus service or light rail.
Unless you have a car, you're really limited. Yes, there are cabs and Ubers, but they cost a lot of money if used on a regular basis.
Of course, the issue is people still want to keep out "what they call the riff-raff" (thanks Robert Moses) and think unless you have a car you must be a scumbag so you are either risking your life walking (nobody seem to walk much on Long lsland) or have to try and negotiate the buses that don't seem to go off the Main Streets.
So you have to get to Main St. to get a bus and probably it will not go near your job.
I believe this is a serious issue that needs addressing. But it all goes back to "unless you own a car" you are a loser. So you have a lot of people who probably drive beaters or cheat on insurance (or drive without) so they can get to work.
I'm actually disappointed how poor the public transit is here for the amount of taxes we pay and the population. The traffic is insane and could be reduced with good bus service or light rail.
Unless you have a car, you're really limited. Yes, there are cabs and Ubers, but they cost a lot of money if used on a regular basis.
Of course, the issue is people still want to keep out "what they call the riff-raff" (thanks Robert Moses) and think unless you have a car you must be a scumbag so you are either risking your life walking (nobody seem to walk much on Long lsland) or have to try and negotiate the buses that don't seem to go off the Main Streets.
So you have to get to Main St. to get a bus and probably it will not go near your job.
I believe this is a serious issue that needs addressing. But it all goes back to "unless you own a car" you are a loser. So you have a lot of people who probably drive beaters or cheat on insurance (or drive without) so they can get to work.
They are keeping long island in the dumps on purpose. They grow business in NYC and JC. They lower taxes their, and raise them here so they can buy it all out and then in 5 - 10 years, they will build skyscrapers and make tax abatement like they always do.
All of those people who dream of a pool in LI will have a nice trump tower view. of course they will complain, but so did Brooklyn, Queens, bronx, and next up is LI. Brooklyn said "NOT HAPPENING" and it happened. Queens? Nope. SIKEEE. It happened. Look at jamaica. Next up you have all of train stations in LIRR all the way to montauk.
Wanna enjoy life and not see this? Bounce to massachusetts. This is cuomos and deblasios island, not yours.
Billy Joel commutes high speed from Oyster Bay to NYC - by helicopter!
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No worries, once we redistribute his wealth, we'll all have helicopters.
Hopefully, these comments were made in jest; anyone who takes them seriously simply doesn't understand the nature, origins, and ultimate purpose of wealth/capital.
The problem with all "solutions" is that we are so densely populated on LI now, and in order to do anything at all, you have to, at best inconvenience people and at worst take property through eminent domain. I remember years ago when the state wanted to improve the LIE by LILCO (precursor to PSEG) in Roslyn and wanted to take some houses that abutted the service road. It held them up years in court before they could get it done.
The NIMBYism in addition to the above, created court cases and ties things up to the point of not being worthwhile for the project.
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