Bad Towns (New York, Hempstead, Levittown: insurance, public school, contractor)

[S.I.B.]

Originally Posted by newtoli

What the towns COULD do, is punish the slumlords. Turn a single family home into an overcrowded rooming house? $10,000 fine. People would stop doing that quickly if they were hit in their pockets.

perhaps, that's kind of a band-aid solution that doesn't address the real issues. Additionally, people in these roles are like gangsters and drug dealers. Put one out of business, and there's 10 clamoring to pick up the slack. The illegals will simply find somewhere else to live.

[hotkarl]

Yeah, I don't get it. Seems everybody is getting away with everything.

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by S.I.B.

perhaps, that's kind of a band-aid solution that doesn't address the real issues. Additionally, people in these roles are like gangsters and drug dealers. Put one out of business, and there's 10 clamoring to pick up the slack. The illegals will simply find somewhere else to live.

It's the first step. If it was enforced across the board, it would address the situation. It would certainly help in my hometown - where it's not gangsters and drug dealers, it's Joe Schmoe who owns a house and can turn a quick buck packing it full of people.

[S.I.B.]

Originally Posted by newtoli

It's the first step. If it was enforced across the board, it would address the situation. It would certainly help in my hometown - where it's not gangsters and drug dealers, it's Joe Schmoe who owns a house and can turn a quick buck packing it full of people.

As long as there's money to be made renting to illegals, somebody will step in to fill the void. Even if the measures did work, do you really think the illegals would simply pack up and move away? I'm thinking they'd figure out a new housing scenario pretty quickly.

[hotkarl]

Slumlords aren't just the stereotypical Ghetto area multi-property building owner.
On my old street I had what I would call a Slumlord.
Turned a one family house into 3 illegal appartments. Nothing but a nightmare.
One of the reasons I moved.

[StephM]

Originally Posted by delaa

Although there have been few who have voiced concern over their safety because of the "illegals", not one of you has given any concrete example of a time when any harm was done to you or someone you know because of something an "illegal" did. So maybe its safe to say your concerns are unfounded?

But I guess everyone has forgotten the Ecuadorian man who was killed last November in Patchugoue (however u spell it) by seven Long Island teenagers - your precious native sons - because he was an immigrant who happened to be just walking the street alone at night

so who should really be worried about whom?

I just have a few more points to make:

1. Why do people ignore the obvious? Yes there's a surge in immigration but these people who come here are looking for the same thing your ancestors looked for - the elusive American Dream - but because our country does not have a decisive stance or clear-cut laws regarding their entrance into this country, they should be persecuted? (how quickly we forget our own personal history - besides the Native Americans, we are all immigrants...dumbasses)

2. Whether illegal or not, immigrants contribute a great deal to our failing economy...however you may feel about them....they buy into the consumerism bull crap too and contribute just as much as anyone else. They buy cars, clothes, food, and toys for their children just like you. *** And I recently read if it wasn't for surge of immigrants, long island's population would be in the negative percent...less people, less money coming in?

3. Yes, gang violence...any violence is a serious, serious problem. But it has absolutely nothing to do with any one group of people and everything to do with economic status and education level. Poorer, undereducated neighborhoods are going to have problems...on long island, in the city, alabama, kentucky...wherever u go..... so maybe some should harp on that instead of these "savages" as one dispicable individual called these newcomers....(btw john....are you sure there isn't some affordable retirement home or loony bin you could go to? Just asking...)

I am the only one that gets it?

but don't yal worry...the way things are going with property taxes, government corruption, and the general suckiness of long island, all the immigrants will leave long island soon enough. and you dopes can have it!

I'll just point out a few things here. First, there have been several crimes carried out by illegal immigrants.Their very presence in this country is a crime, stealing a social security number to be able to work, not to mention the other crimes they commit. And we don't know how many of them had a criminal record before they even stepped foot on our soil. You can't point to ONE hate crime and say that the illegal immigrants should be afraid of US.

1. Yes, my ancestors immigrated to the U.S, when we had an open door policy. They came here legally, worked hard, and learned English. They contributed in taxes. And last I checked, we did have clear cut laws regarding their immigrations, like hopping the border or overstaying your visa is ILLEGAL.

2. They take more from our economy than they give. Some LI school districts have several ESL classes, which sucks money from the district. Illegals get Medicaid and WIC, and stiff hospitals on a regular basis. IF they pay taxes, it does not make up for the services many use.


3. I agree with you that lower socio-economic populations are much more likely to have problems with gangs. However, we shouldn't have to worry about it since they shouldn't even be here.

[sean sean sean sean]

From The Council on Foreign Relation's The Economic Logic of Illegal Immigration

The contentiousness surrounding immigration deters many politicians from tackling the issue. While specific groups of workers, employers, and taxpayers may have much to gain or lose if policies governing illegal immigration are changed, the aggregate economic effects of policy reform do not appear to be large. In revising admission and entry restrictions, members of Congress face the unenviable choice of dramatically
altering the welfare of a few voters while having a nearly imperceptible effect on aggregate welfare. This dilemma may explain why it has taken policymakers so long to get around to addressing illegal immigration. For over a decade, the net inflow of unauthorized entrants has been close to 500,000 individuals a year. Yet, it is only in the last year or two that Congress has felt compelled to reexamine the issue.

In weighing the various proposals under discussion, policymakers would do well to separate the distributional impacts of immigration from its aggregate effects. No initiative under consideration has the potential to substantially increase the overall income of U.S. residents. Because the aggregate gains or losses are small, any new policy that requires a major outlay of funds would be likely to lower U.S. economic well-being. In a rush to secure U.S. borders, some policymakers insist that major efforts are needed to
prevent continued illegal inflows from abroad. While the goals of reducing illegality and establishing greater border control are laudable, it would be difficult to justify massive new spending in terms of its economic return.

Illegal immigration is a persistent phenomenon in part because it has a strong economic rationale. Low-skilled workers are increasingly scarce in the United States, while still abundant in Mexico, Central America, and elsewhere. Impeding illegal immigration, without creating other avenues for legal entry, would conflict with market forces that push for moving labor from low-productivity, low-wage countries to the highproductivity,
high-wage U.S. labor market. The acceptance of these market pressures is
behind proposals for a large-scale expansion of temporary legal immigration. For many elected officials, temporary legal immigration is still immigration, so they have sought to regulate guest workers in a manner that insulates U.S. labor markets from economic repercussions. But highly regulated inflows of temporary low-skilled foreign labor would
be unlikely to attract much interest from U.S. employers. If foreign labor wants to come to the United States and U.S. business wants to hire these workers, then creating cumbersome legal channels through which labor could flow would give employers an incentive to eschew the new guest workers and continue to hire unauthorized workers instead. Were new legislation to combine stronger border and interior enforcement with
an unattractive guest worker program, it would be pitting policy reform against itself, with only one of these components likely to survive in the long run.

The underlying theme here, which unfortunately I believe we are headed for, is that the US and the world is headed towards complete "globalization". Imaginary lines on maps and governments don't mean jack when it's really money that makes the world go 'round....and is this study conclusive evidence that there is some huge economic gain from illegal immigration? Absolutely not. It is, however, compelling evidence that there really isn't some enormous difference between what illegal immigration is putting into and taking out of our pockets....and more importantly that attempting to dissuade illegal immigration any moreso than we currently do is a potentially massive economic burden. I don't like the root cause either, but that's where we're headed.

Now, on another more personal level....I've been on this forum for close to two years, I have made over a thousand posts and I've read even more and I'm somehow always bewildered in these "oh crap xxx town is going down the gutter" arguments what kind of PCP you people must be smoking where you want to **** the bed if, god forbid, you'd ever have to set foot in Westbury or Hempstead or some other lower-on-the-food-chain area.....and I've finally figured it out. I must be part of the problem, I must be in the same league as these filthy illegal immigrants and rowdy "URBAN"-americans who come here from that New York City and other horribly filthy "parts unknown" to rape your churches and burn your women. There is no other explanation, I think I came to this conclusion reading that "how much of your income do you spend on housing" thread. Holy crap, if I spent ANYWHERE NEAR less than 50% of my income on NOT BEING HOMELESS I wouldn't care if 27 Mexicans burping tacos and farting salsa LIVED UNDER MY BED.

Are you kidding me? Is this a real problem??? Get real Long Island....I hope one day you don't have a "real problem" and you can all live in your ridiculous world where the worst things in life are black people who wear clothing you think you saw in a Snoop Dogg video from 1993 and having to view the sight of an unkempt manual laborer of questionable immigration status, on his way home from a 12 hour shift digging the basement of another stucco monstrosity. I was born right here at Mercy Hospital in Rockville Centre, went to public school in Levittown, lived the better part of 26 years in Wantagh and my family for the better part of a century before that....I never realized what a piece of garbage I must be until just this moment. Yeah, I had friends my whole life who were like "oh look at that n**ger" "what a dirty sp*c" --- it just dawned on me that they were saying that about ME the whole time, whether they knew it or not.

You wanna cry about illegal immigrants? I can't see your tears through those factory tints on the 5-series.

[Johninwestbury]

The problem is these companies that hire illegals have big bucks which they bribe the politicians with.
Few politicians will get involved in trying to shut down the overcrowded houses and throw those that hire illegals in jail because they are paid off to look the other way.
As for those who think most illegals "dont break laws", just their being here is against the law, and generally people who break one law, break other laws as well.
Most of them have no desire to become Americans. If they did, why do they wear clothes and caps that have Mexican or El Savadoran flags on them? Why do they show no desire to assimilate?
People need to seperate the race aspect, just look at their behavior. Loitering around, urinating on sidewalks, whistling at women, and tagging gang signs. That's the behavior of a criminal.
But the PD doesn't want to deal with it because they are "bribed" by the companies that hire them.
I'm sick of having to look over my shoulder in many towns here on Long Island. I really feel sorry for women, because I met a girl on a train who lives in Huntington Station and gets harassed daily by these guys, sometimes they try to touch her, and when she complains to the police, nothing happens.
I'm not saying the PD should go around rounding them up on the spot, that would be a very gestapo like approach. But when they are comitting crimes they need to be deported.
More importantly, those that hire illegals, whether it's landscaping, construction, or any business, need to face stiff punishment. They used to throw ppl in the slammer for years for this kind of stuff, now nothing happens or they just get a slap on the wrist.
If they couldn't get work, and they couldn't get away with crimes against the people, they wouldn't be here. But instead they have an attitude like "we own the place now, we can get away with anything" because they can.
The Government is so intertwined with Big Business it will be hard to get them to take action. And unfortunately most of us aren't really willing to make sarifices, like mowing your own lawn, washing your own car (ie..avoiding businesses that hire illegals), even though we actually do have the power to put these places out of business, we don't.
And despite the fact we're in a recession, I was reminded with the recent warm day how fast they all came back out, doing construction, car washes, and even some landscaping.
What annoys me the most is these people who hire illegals, most often the rich who live in places like Roslyn,etc. They dont seem to be cutting back at all, but I guess these were the people who got rich scamming us when the market crashed.

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by Johninwestbury

The problem is these companies that hire illegals have big bucks which they bribe the politicians with.
Few politicians will get involved in trying to shut down the overcrowded houses and throw those that hire illegals in jail because they are paid off to look the other way.
As for those who think most illegals "dont break laws", just their being here is against the law, and generally people who break one law, break other laws as well.
Most of them have no desire to become Americans. If they did, why do they wear clothes and caps that have Mexican or El Savadoran flags on them? Why do they show no desire to assimilate?
People need to seperate the race aspect, just look at their behavior. Loitering around, urinating on sidewalks, whistling at women, and tagging gang signs. That's the behavior of a criminal.
But the PD doesn't want to deal with it because they are "bribed" by the companies that hire them.
I'm sick of having to look over my shoulder in many towns here on Long Island. I really feel sorry for women, because I met a girl on a train who lives in Huntington Station and gets harassed daily by these guys, sometimes they try to touch her, and when she complains to the police, nothing happens.
I'm not saying the PD should go around rounding them up on the spot, that would be a very gestapo like approach. But when they are comitting crimes they need to be deported.
More importantly, those that hire illegals, whether it's landscaping, construction, or any business, need to face stiff punishment. They used to throw ppl in the slammer for years for this kind of stuff, now nothing happens or they just get a slap on the wrist.
If they couldn't get work, and they couldn't get away with crimes against the people, they wouldn't be here. But instead they have an attitude like "we own the place now, we can get away with anything" because they can.
The Government is so intertwined with Big Business it will be hard to get them to take action. And unfortunately most of us aren't really willing to make sarifices, like mowing your own lawn, washing your own car (ie..avoiding businesses that hire illegals), even though we actually do have the power to put these places out of business, we don't.
And despite the fact we're in a recession, I was reminded with the recent warm day how fast they all came back out, doing construction, car washes, and even some landscaping.
What annoys me the most is these people who hire illegals, most often the rich who live in places like Roslyn,etc. They dont seem to be cutting back at all, but I guess these were the people who got rich scamming us when the market crashed.

How do you feel about people on government assistance who don't work at all? Don't you think that's worse than illegal immigrants?

[longislandmike]

There's a strip of Predator Territory, in Coram...oh, well I guess I have to be specific, right ? That WHOLE part of town is comparable a bombed out town in Afghanistan, where their idea of sanitation is a ditch going up the middle of the main street !

It's by the Home Depot...a bus stop that seems to be a "magnet" for every lout, drunk, doped up, Maniac, with a shopping cart.

It's kind of funny to see customers for HOME DEPOT, there, RUN IN AND RUN OUT, and that's after dodging the..ahem, people...who hang out at the bus stop. It seems like the SAME people are hanging out there, ALL THE TIME !

That area, is immediate to my home, and frankly, I wouldnt mind seeing it disappear...and I'm sure the HOME DEPOT isnt happy about it either !