Bad Towns (Babylon, Freeport, Hicksville: tax, living, law)

[hotkarl]

Illegals throw the economy off balance.
So do the people that hire them.

A legal American pays taxes, usually has more bills and overhead.
Thus, a legal tax paying American needs to make a little more money than an illegal.
But why should Joey Contractor pay Legit tax payer Tom $15 an hour when he can pay an illegal Alien $8-$10 an hour.

So tax paying Tom has a hard time finding a job that'll cover his monthly nut, falls behind on his bills, will obviously be spending less money shopping at local business' because he is barely getting by. Tax paying Tom now settles for a lesser paying job than he is worth because he has absolutely no choice, doesn't feel good about himself anymore because he can't support his family the way he wishes he could, is always behind on his bills, ends up having to turn to social services to help him, which comes out of our tax money, and the cycle just goes on and on and on...

Ever wonder why you see so many North Carolina plates?

[turbogirl]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

From The Council on Foreign Relation's The Economic Logic of Illegal Immigration



The underlying theme here, which unfortunately I believe we are headed for, is that the US and the world is headed towards complete "globalization". Imaginary lines on maps and governments don't mean jack when it's really money that makes the world go 'round....and is this study conclusive evidence that there is some huge economic gain from illegal immigration? Absolutely not. It is, however, compelling evidence that there really isn't some enormous difference between what illegal immigration is putting into and taking out of our pockets....and more importantly that attempting to dissuade illegal immigration any moreso than we currently do is a potentially massive economic burden. I don't like the root cause either, but that's where we're headed.

Now, on another more personal level....I've been on this forum for close to two years, I have made over a thousand posts and I've read even more and I'm somehow always bewildered in these "oh crap xxx town is going down the gutter" arguments what kind of PCP you people must be smoking where you want to **** the bed if, god forbid, you'd ever have to set foot in Westbury or Hempstead or some other lower-on-the-food-chain area.....and I've finally figured it out. I must be part of the problem, I must be in the same league as these filthy illegal immigrants and rowdy "URBAN"-americans who come here from that New York City and other horribly filthy "parts unknown" to rape your churches and burn your women. There is no other explanation, I think I came to this conclusion reading that "how much of your income do you spend on housing" thread. Holy crap, if I spent ANYWHERE NEAR less than 50% of my income on NOT BEING HOMELESS I wouldn't care if 27 Mexicans burping tacos and farting salsa LIVED UNDER MY BED.

Are you kidding me? Is this a real problem??? Get real Long Island....I hope one day you don't have a "real problem" and you can all live in your ridiculous world where the worst things in life are black people who wear clothing you think you saw in a Snoop Dogg video from 1993 and having to view the sight of an unkempt manual laborer of questionable immigration status, on his way home from a 12 hour shift digging the basement of another stucco monstrosity. I was born right here at Mercy Hospital in Rockville Centre, went to public school in Levittown, lived the better part of 26 years in Wantagh and my family for the better part of a century before that....I never realized what a piece of garbage I must be until just this moment. Yeah, I had friends my whole life who were like " Moderator cut: language . . . . . .

it just dawned on me that they were saying that about ME the whole time, whether they knew it or not.

You wanna cry about illegal immigrants? I can't see your tears through those factory tints on the 5-series.

well said

[Johninwestbury]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

How do you feel about people on government assistance who don't work at all? Don't you think that's worse than illegal immigrants?

[RoleModel]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

How do you feel about people on government assistance who don't work at all? Don't you think that's worse than illegal immigrants?

The welfare queen is a myth. There are stringent regulations on government assistance that usually consist of work training and such.

But hey I get my info from real life, not Rush Limbaugh.

[Elke Mariotti]

Originally Posted by RoleModel

The welfare queen is a myth. There are stringent regulations on government assistance that usually consist of work training and such.

But hey I get my info from real life, not Rush Limbaugh.

guess you'd be surprised by how many people know their way around the regs??

[RoleModel]

Originally Posted by Elke Mariotti

guess you'd be surprised how many people know their way around the regs??

Not really, they're not a major percentage. Probably around the same percentage who commit insurance fraud or tax fraud.

Besides, no one is getting much money from going on welfare. I'd think there's better ways of gaming the system.

[RoleModel]

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Isn't that what you're doing with illegal immigrants - demonizing them? The real problem lies with our bureaucratic governments that have complicated immigration to a point where it takes people up to THIRTY YEARS to legally become a resident and the governments' bedfellows -- the lobbyists that would rather keep an overpriced private healthcare system that doesn't save the government or the people anything because they make double the profit (US spends twice per person than UHC nations on healthcare, half is Medicare/Medicaid taxes - so we're getting less than every other first world nation) or that would keep a banking system with no accountability around.

Blame them -- illegal immigrants are scapegoats.

[Elke Mariotti]

Originally Posted by RoleModel

The real problem lies with our bureaucratic governments that have complicated immigration to a point where it takes people up to THIRTY YEARS to legally become a resident

If you're here legally, you do NOT have to wait up to 30 years. I should know - I'm an immigrant myself!

Is an INS overhaul called for - definitely! But two wrongs don't make a right.

By giving benefits to persons whose conduct is unlawful, you condone their actions and encourage others to follow... which is what has happened and is still happening.

If you don't enforce laws, they become meaningless.

[RoleModel]

Originally Posted by Elke Mariotti

If you're here legally, you do NOT have to wait up to 30 years. I should know - I'm an immigrant myself!

Is an INS overhaul called for - definitely! But two wrongs don't make a right.

By giving benefits to persons whose conduct is unlawful, you condone their actions and encourage others to follow... which is what has happened and is still happening.

If you don't enforce laws, they become meaningless.

How long did it take you? It was still a significant chunk of time, wasn't it?

But what's your proposal to round up, prosecute and deport of all of them? It's probably just as much to do that as it is to provide basic emergency services.

[Elke Mariotti]

Originally Posted by RoleModel

How long did it take you? It was still a significant chunk of time, wasn't it?

Five years. Not an unreasonable amount of time - enough time to understand what this country is all about.