Bad Towns (Hempstead, Oyster Bay, Union: apartment, school districts, income)

[Johninwestbury]

I'm not saying there's isn't a good side of Westbury. North of the parkway and west of Post ave is the better part of town (which is probably where most of your pics were taken except for the plaza). But there's no denying the problem of illegals on Post ave itself and east.
I can show you many towns that don't have gangs, men loitering, and garbage that don't require a "country club membership" right here on Long Island. Even here in Nassau places like Levittown, Wantagh, and Massapequa are nice, non-ritzy places to live. Out in Suffolk there's even more, Ridge, Miller Place, Sayville, Kings Park, Holbrook, and many others. I never see the kind of stuff in those towns that I see here in Westbury.
I'm sorry but I feel uncomfortable walking through a town that's full of transient men loitering around. Maybe you dont see them but I do. And the pictures dont lie.

[GCGuy]

Westbury does need help. It's interesting that John stoked the fire, but this is one of the few areas that have recently begun to go downhill. Poor Hempstead and Roosevelt don't seem to get any play...

My fear is that LI becomes even more liberal, like NYC, and starts to coddle and promote the degredation of areas. It seems to be playing out in a number of places as we speak.

[LIOC]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

LOL....I happen to be freinds with the people that live in this house.

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by Johninwestbury

I'm not saying there's isn't a good side of Westbury. North of the parkway and west of Post ave is the better part of town (which is probably where most of your pics were taken except for the plaza). But there's no denying the problem of illegals on Post ave itself and east.
I can show you many towns that don't have gangs, men loitering, and garbage that don't require a "country club membership" right here on Long Island. Even here in Nassau places like Levittown, Wantagh, and Massapequa are nice, non-ritzy places to live. Out in Suffolk there's even more, Ridge, Miller Place, Sayville, Kings Park, Holbrook, and many others. I never see the kind of stuff in those towns that I see here in Westbury.
I'm sorry but I feel uncomfortable walking through a town that's full of transient men loitering around. Maybe you dont see them but I do. And the pictures dont lie.

Yup, north of the parkway and west of Post Avenue...nicest parts of Westbury, in my opinion. I also do like Post Avenue, though, and think the Village has done a pretty good job improving it. I see tons of Hispanics when I come through there, are they illegal? Maybe, maybe not....in either case, it just doesn't bother me. Like I said before, I've worked with a lot of people who illegally entered this country from Central/South America and whether they want to live here or in Guadalajara I could care less. I don't want to pay income tax either and I wouldn't if I knew I could get away with it. People are people, whatever...I say let them live and pee their pants and do whatever silly foolishness their hearts desire. I've found that most people just keep to themselves, wherever they're from, and never had any problems walking Post night or day. A more politically correct answer probably would have been "all Latinos are hard working" but I think that's just as ignorant as saying they're all slobs, and I don't think it's true....but most are, and most just want a better life for their families like all of us who were born here.

If you go into New Cassel, Union is a huge spot for day worker pickups. It gets a little ridiculous over there, having that many people on a residential street, but I think most in Westbury are either hangin out, going to work or waiting for a bus. You will find the same thing in Wantagh and Levittown, though in less numbers. The future of Nassau County is not a white one. The only choices are to adapt or move and I'm staying as long as I can afford it. I love it here and will be eating empanadas down at the pupuseria while all my old neighbors are hiding down in North Carolina.

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by LIOC

LOL....I happen to be freinds with the people that live in this house.

Haha wow, that's ridiculous. Small world! I just grabbed the picture off the Nassau County Assessment site, completely at random out of god knows how many possible properties in Westbury.

Originally Posted by GCGuy

Westbury does need help. It's interesting that John stoked the fire, but this is one of the few areas that have recently begun to go downhill. Poor Hempstead and Roosevelt don't seem to get any play...

My fear is that LI becomes even more liberal, like NYC, and starts to coddle and promote the degredation of areas. It seems to be playing out in a number of places as we speak.

I think the biggest problem in Westbury is that the schools are some of LI's worst. If they could magically turn that around it would become a very desirable area very quickly. The location is great and despite John's pictures, I'm sure even he will tell you that the vast majority of Westbury's residential areas are still more like the images I posted. I gotta believe that most people who live in these spots send their kids to private school.

LI can learn a ton from NYC's successes and failures. They've got a pretty good track record over the last 10-15 years, even places you'd never dare go through like Bushwick and Bed-Stuy are now becoming "hip", expensive places to live...but that is coming after more than 20 years of failed "urban renewal" projects and public housing warzone imagery. NYC finally pulled itself out of the blight it suffered in the 60s & 70s just by making it attractive to do business there. Bring the jobs out here and everything else is a piece of cake.

[Glad2BHere]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

I see tons of Hispanics when I come through there, are they illegal? Maybe, maybe not....in either case, it just doesn't bother me. Like I said before, I've worked with a lot of people who illegally entered this country from Central/South America and whether they want to live here or in Guadalajara I could care less. I don't want to pay income tax either and I wouldn't if I knew I could get away with it. People are people, whatever...I say let them live and pee their pants and do whatever silly foolishness their hearts desire. I've found that most people just keep to themselves, wherever they're from, and never had any problems walking Post night or day. A more politically correct answer probably would have been "all Latinos are hard working" but I think that's just as ignorant as saying they're all slobs, and I don't think it's true....but most are, and most just want a better life for their families like all of us who were born here.
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Being amongst illegals when you work is one thing. But would you want to live in that apt (that John posted pics of) where he used to live? Would you want your young daughters walking by these cat calling men? Would you want your young daughters coming home and having to make their way through a congregation of of drunken men? I ask this seriously b/c I think it's easy to say, "I don't mind" when not personally in the situation. When your quality of life goes downhill, your and your family's safety becomes at risk and your property value plumments, I can't imagine "not minding", "live and let live" and that "people are people" at that point. I really feel for John. None of the pics he posted say to me "Invest your money here". JMO

[VillageOfWestbury]

Originally Posted by Johninwestbury

I'm not saying there's isn't a good side of Westbury. North of the parkway and west of Post ave is the better part of town (which is probably where most of your pics were taken except for the plaza). But there's no denying the problem of illegals on Post ave itself and east.
I can show you many towns that don't have gangs, men loitering, and garbage that don't require a "country club membership" right here on Long Island. Even here in Nassau places like Levittown, Wantagh, and Massapequa are nice, non-ritzy places to live. Out in Suffolk there's even more, Ridge, Miller Place, Sayville, Kings Park, Holbrook, and many others. I never see the kind of stuff in those towns that I see here in Westbury.
I'm sorry but I feel uncomfortable walking through a town that's full of transient men loitering around. Maybe you dont see them but I do. And the pictures dont lie.

John,

Let me start by saying that you have a right to feel the way you do. This is your experience. But I've seen things in some of these other towns that I find unattractive/unappealing. I've driven through parts of Levittown that look like a step up from a trailer park. My impression was that it looked run-down and low rent. I'm sure; however, there are nicer sections and so I don't paint a one-sided picture. I've also driven through Wantagh and Massapequa and I didn't find anything there that made me feel like "Wow this is a step-up." That being said, you have found examples of the worst Post Ave and Maple ave may or may not have to offer, but to be fair, I will post pictures of my neighborhood and others that illustrate the best Westbury has to offer. Your experiences, unfortunate as they my be, do not reflect the complete picture. Additionally, I find it interesting that you have time to walk around with a camera to document a drunk man who had unrinated on himself??? Furthermore, crime is very low in Westbury (as far as the numbers are concerned) considering the lawlessness of illegals running around unrestrained...LOL!

As far as the bi-lingual signs...that's everywhere now...including L.I.. L.I. (or U.S.A. ) will never again be 90%+ white...ever. I know that's scary to some, but that's the reality. Welcome to America of the 21st Century and beyond. The only issue I have living in the Westbury s.d. is the schools. But to by fair again, those score have improved significantly over the last couple of years. Unfortunately, (as stated before) many of the higher income folks in the s.d. opt for private school which leaves the majority of the s.d. coming from New Cassel. And to be honest there are some parts of New Cassel that are nice as well.

My bottomline...be an agent of change...there's nowhere to run anymore. If there's a problem, then it should vetted an elevated accordingly. How active are you in your local government. I know the Mayor (Strada) sp? has been in that position for years. Maybe it's time for a call for new leadership that can address the problems of the 21st century?

[iluvmycuties]

Village of Westbury,


John has valid points when he cites towns in Nassau that are not in danger of having problems with illegals. The towns he has referenced simply will not allow for it, plain and simple.

There are some run down areas of Levittown, but that town is going through a major revitalization. When the real estate market was in its prime, younger couples and families purchased in Levvittown b/c it was considered "affordable." I think the homes described as "trailer park" will turn around in no time.

[brassbin]

I'm not that familiar with Westbury, but i do know certain parts go to Jericho schools.

(waiting for Walter coming ot settle any confusion...)

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by brassbin

I'm not that familiar with Westbury, but i do know certain parts go to Jericho schools.

(waiting for Walter coming ot settle any confusion...)

No part of the Village of Westbury is in the Jericho Union Free School District.

The West Jericho neighborhood in the Hamlet of Jericho has a "Westbury, NY 11590" mailing address, but it is in the Hamlet of Jericho, not in the Village of Westbury, and it is in the Jericho Union Free School District.

The confusion is caused by confusing a place that has a "Westbury, NY 11590" mailing address with being in "Westbury".

The Village of Westbury is 1,511 acres while the "Westbury, NY 11590" ZIP Code postal zone is 3X as large, at 4,302 acres, with the result that the majority of places with a "Westbury, NY 11590" mailing address are NOT in the Village of Westbury.

Quickly eyeballing the map overlay of the "11590" ZIP Code postal zone versus village and hamlet borders, all or parts of the following 8 communities have a "Westbury, NY 11590" mailing address:

......Hamlet of Jericho, Town of Oyster Bay
......Hamlet of Hicksville, Town of Oyster Bay
......Hamlet of Carle Place, Town of North Hempstead
......Village of Westbury, Town of North Hempstead
......Hamlet of New Cassel, Town of North Hempstead
......Hamlet of Salisbury, Town of Hempstead
......Hamlet of East Garden City, Town of Hempstead
......Hamlet of East Meadow, Town of Hempstead