Bad Towns (lawyers, school, wages)

[delaa]

nope....no agenda here....just speaking truth

i didn't even notice the dates --- just all of the comments about these so called "bad towns" - one of which i happen to reside in.

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by delaa

Although there have been few who have voiced concern over their safety because of the "illegals", not one of you has given any concrete example of a time when any harm was done to you or someone you know because of something an "illegal" did. So maybe its safe to say your concerns are unfounded?

As a teenager, myself, or my friends, could not walk down the street of my hometown without getting harassed with "TSSST" "TSSSST", which the cops told us was "cultural".

When I was 15, I was grabbed, on a train station platform, by a well known town "illegal", and he stuck his tongue down my throat. He did not see that I was getting off the train with 5 guys, who took the situation into their own hands.

When my friend was 17, he was stabbed by 4 illegals, 3 of whom fled the country. They're probably back here already with different identities. Can't catch criminals when they are already using fake IDs.

Last year, a friend of mine was jumped by a gang of Ecuadorians from behind. Broken nose, broken jaw, broken ribs.

I have no problem with people coming to this country legally, however, it was incredibly unsettling to me when people close to me were attacked by people who shouldn't have been here in the first place.

[delaa]

Originally Posted by newtoli

As a teenager, myself, or my friends, could not walk down the street of my hometown without getting harassed with "TSSST" "TSSSST", which the cops told us was "cultural".

When I was 15, I was grabbed, on a train station platform, by a well known town "illegal", and he stuck his tongue down my throat. He did not see that I was getting off the train with 5 guys, who took the situation into their own hands.

When my friend was 17, he was stabbed by 4 illegals, 3 of whom fled the country. They're probably back here already with different identities. Can't catch criminals when they are already using fake IDs.

Last year, a friend of mine was jumped by a gang of Ecuadorians from behind. Broken nose, broken jaw, broken ribs.

I have no problem with people coming to this country legally, however, it was incredibly unsettling to me when people close to me were attacked by people who shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Ok...I'm sorry for what happened to you and your friends...but I believe you are missing my point somewhat....

violence is violence...it cannot be associated with any one group of people - skin color, race, ethnicity, citizenship status does not matter. Would the violence and disrespect that happened to you and your friends be less "unsettling" if the perps/thugs were white and legal citizens?

I've never been stabbed...but I know what it is to be a young female...and honey, listen...you get it from every man. I've been grabbed and disrespected by quite a few men...white, black, latino, and some I could not readily identify into one specific category. Do I look for attention? No....far from it actually. Does that matter to these men...not at all. You find that element everywhere. Believe it. And no these were not all grungy men on the street - I've been smacked on the butt at my place of work by a supervisor - like I said...you get it everywhere. Just be careful and take care of yourself.

[newtoli]

Violence is violence, I agree.

My point is - violence is even more infuriating and frustrating when the attacker is here illegally and nothing was done to address that before or after the fact. As in, this person should never have even been allowed in this country, but that was not addressed, and here they are causing harm to me or someone close to me. As in, the person who jumped my friend had committed crimes here in the past, and was not deported, but left here to commit more crimes.

The persons that were here illegally in both the stabbing incident and the jumping incident were not deported even after the fact.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by newtoli

As a teenager, myself, or my friends, could not walk down the street of my hometown without getting harassed with "TSSST" "TSSSST", which the cops told us was "cultural".

When I was 15, I was grabbed, on a train station platform, by a well known town "illegal", and he stuck his tongue down my throat. He did not see that I was getting off the train with 5 guys, who took the situation into their own hands.

When my friend was 17, he was stabbed by 4 illegals, 3 of whom fled the country. They're probably back here already with different identities. Can't catch criminals when they are already using fake IDs.

Last year, a friend of mine was jumped by a gang of Ecuadorians from behind. Broken nose, broken jaw, broken ribs.

I have no problem with people coming to this country legally, however, it was incredibly unsettling to me when people close to me were attacked by people who shouldn't have been here in the first place.

Hmm, I wonder why the good Reverend Hernandez wasn't there to protest such violence...

[dman72]

Originally Posted by newtoli

Violence is violence, I agree.

My point is - violence is even more infuriating and frustrating when the attacker is here illegally and nothing was done to address that before or after the fact. As in, this person should never have even been allowed in this country, but that was not addressed, and here they are causing harm to me or someone close to me. As in, the person who jumped my friend had committed crimes here in the past, and was not deported, but left here to commit more crimes.

The persons that were here illegally in both the stabbing incident and the jumping incident were not deported even after the fact.

I have relatives who are cops, and one told me that if they arrested an illegal 2 decades ago, INS would have come and taken them away when called.

Starting about 15 years ago or so, they'd call up INS, and INS would say "lock them up.."

[hotkarl]

Let me just add a little bit here...

"Most" of these illegals are not here to live the American dream. They are here to make money, to which they hide in a well conceled envelope and send home to "their country". Fact. 100% fact. They come here, work very hard, I'll give them that, for cash "off the books" (AKA: not paying taxes), living in squalor and filth, because they only keep enough money to pay for their "room" and eat once in a while, the rest gets sent "home".

Being a blue collar worker all of my life, I have worked alongside illegals heavily.
They have come clean on many occassions with their agenda. I have also become quite friendly with some who actually have come here to live the American dream, and have applied for, or attained U.S. citizenship, in fact one of my dearest and closest friends is a former "illegal", and even he is pissed off at most of the illegals, and has verified what their true agenda is: money.
Some of these pro-immigrant people argue how the illegals have become an essential part of the economy, bull****. Maybe they are keeping their absentee slumlord rich, but they spend very little money here. Fact. I can't count the amount of times I've had to buy lunch for these guys on the job. If they make, let's say for sake of argument $500 a week, they are sending between 3 and 4 hundred a week "home".

BTW...Levittown has come a long way since the 80's. I sure do miss cruising the "Pike" in my Camaro looking for chicks though...ha!
I've noticed a dramatic decline in "Mullets and Monte's" on the Pike. Ha ha!

[newtoli]

Originally Posted by dman72

Hmm, I wonder why the good Reverend Hernandez wasn't there to protest such violence...

I consider myself a very liberal person. Almost what one would call a "bleeding heart"

I assisted this person in pressing charges. In order to get the police to follow through, I had to have a lawyer friend assist. It was infuriating. I asked about the fact that the attackers were illegal, and they basically laughed and said they don't get involved in that.

That, to me, is unacceptable. They got off with a slap on the wrist.

Unfortunately, this has also decreased the quality of life in my hometown, due to slumlords packing 30 illegals into a house.

All I ask is that the law be followed... and it's being overlooked.

[delaa]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

Let me just add a little bit here...

"Most" of these illegals are not here to live the American dream. They are here to make money, to which they hide in a well conceled envelope and send home to "their country". Fact. 100% fact. They come here, work very hard, I'll give them that, for cash "off the books" (AKA: not paying taxes), living in squalor and filth, because they only keep enough money to pay for their "room" and eat once in a while, the rest gets sent "home".

Being a blue collar worker all of my life, I have worked alongside illegals heavily.
They have come clean on many occassions with their agenda. I have also become quite friendly with some who actually have come here to live the American dream, and have applied for, or attained U.S. citizenship, in fact one of my dearest and closest friends is a former "illegal", and even he is pissed off at most of the illegals, and has verified what their true agenda is: money.
Some of these pro-immigrant people argue how the illegals have become an essential part of the economy, bull****. Maybe they are keeping their absentee slumlord rich, but they spend very little money here. Fact. I can't count the amount of times I've had to buy lunch for these guys on the job. If they make, let's say for sake of argument $500 a week, they are sending between 3 and 4 hundred a week "home".

BTW...Levittown has come a long way since the 80's. I sure do miss cruising the "Pike" in my Camaro looking for chicks though...ha!
I've noticed a dramatic decline in "Mullets and Monte's" on the Pike. Ha ha!

I just love the fact that you have a problem with the immigrants sending money home to their families and yet still you decide to EMPLOY THEM as well. How's that go again...about wanting to have your cake and eat too?

[hotkarl]

No silly, I don't employ them.
I've worked for employers who employ them in the past.