How is Holbrook/Holtsville area? (Centereach, Selden: buyer, schools, income)

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by John9l0

Nope, it's wrong. I have buddies that live in that neighborhood west of Morris, (made a typo in may last post, I meant west, not east) and it's a Farmingville NY, 11738 address.

Having a "Farmingville, NY 11738" mailing address is no guarantee that the place with a "Farmingville, NY 11738" mailing address is actually in the Hamlet of Farmingville.

Originally Posted by John9l0

I just checked my Suffolk County Atlas, and Holtsville's boundaries end at Morris. Everything west was Farmingville and Ronkonkoma.

I suspect that the Atlas you are using shows the borders of villages and postal zones, but not the borders of hamlets, which do not have the same border as the postal zone that "shares" the hamlet's name.

This may be of some help to you in understanding the local geography: http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-y...-glossary.html


Please bear in mind, the majority of places on Long Island have a different community name in their mailing address than the community where that place is actually located.

[John9l0]

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

Having a "Farmingville, NY 11738" mailing address is no guarantee that the place with a "Farmingville, NY 11738" mailing address is actually in the Hamlet of Farmingville.

It is the hamlet of Farmingville. There is a "Welcome to Farmingville" sign right on portion road, and the neighborhood even tried changing it's name to Oak Hills, because it is Farmingville, and the name has a stigma attatched to it.

The map is wrong.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by John9l0

The map is wrong.

According to the Suffolk County Planning Department and the Long Island Regional Planning Board, who provided this map to the Census Bureau, the map is correct.

[sean sean sean sean]

John, if you don't believe the federal government, perhaps Suffolk County itself will change your mind...

http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/Planning/cdp.pdf

The post office is totally separate from geographic boundaries. Think of it in the same sense as school districts or fire districts or other governmental functions that cover various areas outside the location bearing their names.

[sean sean sean sean]

You can also check a higher resolution map for each Suffolk County Town at this link:

Suffolk County Government - Census Designated Places<br>County and Town Maps

[jellycakes]

Your information was helpful. Would you happen to know if Greenbelt Pkwy West is a nice area in Holbrook?

[rockypointny]

Originally Posted by John9l0

It is the hamlet of Farmingville. There is a "Welcome to Farmingville" sign right on portion road, and the neighborhood even tried changing it's name to Oak Hills, because it is Farmingville, and the name has a stigma attatched to it.

The map is wrong.

Try not to pay attention to the hamlet maps, they ultimately will not help you in a home search or in identifying what community you live in. People identify most with zipcodes and not with hamlet boundaries. The Census bureau should just have the borders redrawn to the more organized and recognized zipcode boundaries.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by rockypointny

The Census bureau should just have the borders redrawn to the more organized and recognized zipcode boundaries.

Actually, it's the USPS that should realign its non-conforming ZIP Code postal zones to conform to the true borders of the communities named in the non-conforming ZIP postal zones. There is Congressional pressure to do so because of the geographic confusions caused by the USPS' use of non-conforming ZIP Code postal zones that affect not only hamlets, but cities and villages, as well.

[rockypointny]

Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan

Actually, it's the USPS that should realign its non-conforming ZIP Code postal zones to conform to the true borders of the communities named in the non-conforming ZIP postal zones. There is Congressional pressure to do so because of the geographic confusions caused by the USPS' use of non-conforming ZIP Code postal zones that affect not only hamlets, but cities and villages, as well.

However, you would also have to change commonly held opinions which would result in confusion to many residents who would have to change their addresses.The switch to using zip codes to define hamlets would be a much simpler procedure and would go over better with the public as they wouldn't notice any change. Quick question, is all census data for a community based on the hamlet borders? I find this interesting in my community because the census shows a slightly higher income in "Sound Beach" than in "Rocky Point." This would be explained if "Sound Beach Hamlet" included the more upscale sections of Rocky Point, NY 11778. If this is the case, it's pretty unfair to people moving into a community to not be aware of the hamlet borders, as they could include an undesirable neighborhood and thus skew the perceptions of a particular area.

[Walter Greenspan]

Originally Posted by rockypointny

Quick question, is all census data for a community based on the hamlet borders? I find this interesting in my community because the census shows a slightly higher income in "Sound Beach" than in "Rocky Point." This would be explained if "Sound Beach Hamlet" included the more upscale sections of Rocky Point, NY 11778.If this is the case, it's pretty unfair to people moving into a community to not be aware of the hamlet borders, as they could include an undesirable neighborhood and thus skew the perceptions of a particular area.

If you go to: American FactFinder

and, insert Rocky Point for town, and NY for state, you'll get the Census data for the Hamlet of Rocky Point;

but, if you insert only 11778 (no community name, no state abbreviation), you'll get the Census data for the 11778 ZIP Code postal zone.