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I think Gardasil (a brand new vaccine) causing reactions in older girls who can describe their symptoms is different from the purported effects of vaccines that have been used for 30 years (MMR). Remember, Rotashield was pulled because it caused problems, so doctors can and do acknowledge that vaccines can be imperfect.
My objection is to claims that have consistently failed to find any scientific backing or evidence.
I've worked with too many parents who swear their child was fine up until vaccinations.
At the same time, a lot of parents are in denial that there is something wrong with their child and would rather blame a vaccine than think it's something genetic or environmental, such as the tons of pesticides people use to keep their lush lawns or processed foods or all the emissions from cars, trucks, SUVs, or any of the other thousand things in our environment that are slowly killing all of us.
There are many, many factors that could contribute to the rising rate of autism and I don't think it's the vaccines. If it were, why now? Why not 10 years ago? Or 15 years ago?
My daughter has had all the mandatory vaccines. The only one I disagree with is this HPV vaccine and she hasn't gotten that one yet (and hopefully won't have to)
Generally, if a child gets sick within a few days or even weeks of the immunizations, the parents think it was the immunizations. I have also never seen any of these immediate reactions that people "hear" about, in 35 years of giving immunizations. Interestingly, you rarely, if ever, hear first hand stories about this. It's always someone else's kid. The only immediate thing I have ever seen is kids fainting, usually from anxiety and not eating. That ususally happens in older kids (middle school and up) and is not an allergic reaction.
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Well, I can tell you FIRST hand that MY daughter has had a reaction to the gardasil shot. It's not just my opinion, it's the opinion of two of the three cardiologists she has had to see as a result, as well as both of her pediatricians. My daughter was a perfectly healthy 16 year old girl, running five to ten miles DAILY, she now has problems crossing the room to get to the bathroom. She has developed inflamation and fluid around her heart as a direct result of this shot, as well as numerous other issues incuding: weakness in her hands and arms, leg tremors, dizziness, sensitivity to light, loss of appetite, fatigue, stomach pains ( not an ache, but sharp shooting pains) etc etc etc
And she is not the only one, there are countless other girls out there who have also experienced these reactions as well as others such as fainting, etc. I realize that not everyone has a reaction to this vaccine (thank God!) but there are a significant amount of girls who have and they need to be listened to, not pushed aside as mere coincidence. The facts are there and everyone should be informed of them and allowed to make their own decision!
I am so sorry for the nightmare your daughter must endure. As long as pharmaceuticals are big business and have the FDA in their pockets, any young woman with an adverse reaction will be treated as a mere statistic; collateral damage.
My prayers that she is able to overcome this and return to the picture of health she once was.
Just because doctors and the pharm companies tell you everything is fine and dandy doesn't make it true either.
Happeemommee, my best to your daughter.
Exactly, Alliswell! It doesn't matter where you had your child vaccinated. The problem goes deeper than that. I am not merely speaking of vaccinations when I refer to pharmaceutical companies. As Bee said, one individual is merely collateral damage in the long run when it interferes with making billions off of one drug in particular.
Hannah Poling (recent case) does not have autism. She has an underlying mitochondrial disorder that was aggravated by vaccines. This is incredibly rare. In addition to that, the standard of proof for vaccine injury claims is not 'beyond a reasonable doubt'; it's much lower (a lawyer I know referred to it as "50% and a feather"). Her parents have refused to release her medical records.
Wakefield's theory, by the way, had nothing to do with thimerosal. It was a theory about a combined jab placing too high a stress on the immune system. (Andrew Wakefield was the doctor who had an MMR-autism study published in the Lancet; it was later retracted.)
The Bolen Report is a conspiracy theory site. There is not a single peer reviewed study that confirms a vaccine-autism link. The biggest link for autism is genetic.
By the way, my daughter received all her vaccines on the National Health Service. Big Pharma was not bribing my GP.
And I am fully aware that autism is a spectrum; I used to work for a charity that provided services to special needs kids. Judging by what I've seen, these days I'd probably get an ASD diagnosis if I cared to (which I don't).
Okay, so we don't like Bolen? Just Google anything with this doctor's name. I even remember him interviewing for MSNBC for this study. This was all up until he was hired by one of the pharmceutical companies.
Conspiracy theories? You think they don't exist or that some of them aren't valid? Let's talk dollars and cents here...
I really don't find it fair to be so adamant unless you have personal experience with the situation. At least show some empathy toward the situation.
BTW, having your child vaccinated by someone other than your GP doesn't mean that pharms aren't dictating protocol. Why wouldn't a physician push a drug if he/she was being courted by the pharm co's? This is more the norm than the exception. Ever been waiting for an appointment and then se a pharm rep get buzzed right in with his/her briefcase? What do you think this all is?
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BTW, having your child vaccinated by someone other than your GP doesn't mean that pharms aren't dictating protocol. Why wouldn't a physician push a drug if he/she was being courted by the pharm co's? This is more the norm than the exception. Ever been waiting for an appointment and then se a pharm rep get buzzed right in with his/her briefcase? What do you think this all is?
Oh, for Pete's sake! Do you know how much we health care professionals try to avoid the pharmacy reps? Good grief! That is insulting a physician's intelligence to think s/he is swayed by a snake oil salesman!
There has been no thimerosol in any routine immuization since 2001. The only vaccine that contains any thimerosol is influenza vaccine, and there are thimerosol-free vaccines. Thimerosol was taken out of vaccines despite any evidence of any harmful effects, due to parental refusal of thimerosol-containing vaccines. Despite the fact that it has been 7 years since thimerosol was in vaccine, parents still ask me about it at least once a week, b/c of stuff they read on anti-immunization websites.
I was merely responding to Alexis, who made mention of only the MMR. I was trying to point out that parents are not just pointing to the MMR, but the other particulars I mentioned.
As I've said, autism is a spectrum. No one story will ever duplicate another. That being said, I personally believe that because autism has become a "popular" diagnosis (when all else fails, label them on the spectrum), more children are being diagnosed such b/c of inability to determine anything other than autism. Twenty years from now, some children, who would have qualified for today's standard for spectrum diagnosis, will be diagnosed under some other new category.
This statement is in no way meant to contradict my belief that vaccinations play a PART in this spectrum; however, to go and put every spectrum diagnosis on genetics (or vaccinations) is irresponsible. The fact that it is a spectrum means that there are vast differences between each child and dianoses. One may have been genetic, another vaccination, another environmental. But to go and say "it is related to this, and this only" is not only ignorant, but counterproductive.
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Oh, for Pete's sake! Do you know how much we health care professionals try to avoid the pharmacy reps? Good grief! That is insulting a physician's intelligence to think s/he is swayed by a snake oil salesman!
Well, I'm glad to know you don't pander to them. Thanks for that. Funny how all of my specialists or pediatricians have, at some time, buzzed those reps in when I've been waiting. Must be just my doctors then.
BTW, you don't have anything that has been gifted to you by those reps, such as I've mentioned, do you? I'd love to visit your practice and see it completely free of commercial promotion. It would be a breath of fresh air. And I mean that sincerely.
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