Valley Stream Question (Nassau, Rose: attorney, high school, pharmacy)

[Jdawg8181]

Originally Posted by Seann

I live a few blocks from Fletcher/Linden. It's a gorgeous middle class area; the VS State & Hendrickson Parks gives that area a tranquil vibe. If you've ever driven by exit 15 on the Southern State's east bound lane, you can see the VS State Park on your right. Fletcher is located next to the Parks, and the 5th precinct is located one block away from Fletcher Ave. I've witnessed women walking their dogs at 4 am, so needless to say, it's a very safe area. It's nicer than Gibson, IMO.

Contrary to some people's opinion, Central Avenue is a very safe area, it just has a more pedestrian look in comparison to areas like Fletcher. It's loaded woth banks, office suites and pharmacys. There's no street element there at all, and VS's LIRR hub is among the best in the county.

To be honest with you, Elmont as a whole may have nicer homes and nicer blocks than Valley Stream. If you're not a xenophobe, it's an area I would definitely recommend. Not the Northern end by Hempstead Turnpike, but the Southern & Eastern ends( along Dutch Broadway, the VS and Franklin Square borders).

You would recommend Elmont? Really? The area was once very nice...my mom grew up there...sadly, it has taken a turn for the worse. I def. would not recommend it.

Love VS, though.

[Jdawg8181]

Originally Posted by llama8

Mostly the parts on the Queens border and Green Acres. There is a lot of crime over there. Shooting/stabbings/robberies. The movie theatre has metal detectors due to a few shootings/stabbings there...and that was a few years back. I grew up in this area. Valley stream as a whole is still nice, but to me, the part that borders Green Acres is downright scary. I used to go there all the time and I refuse to shop there anymore. It has nothing to do with cultural differences, it has to do with crime rate. If you stick to Gibson and Westwood, you will be fine. Even Central VS isn't bad.

My friend taught at VS South HS (3 years ago) and she left because it was so bad. There were bb gun shottings in the parking lot, a stabiing, and fights (and according to her gangs) at the school. She is a tough girl and she was fearful of the situation (due to violence) Again this is second hand information, but just FYI.

That stuff happens everywhere though. Happened a bunch of times @ Mepham and Bellmore-Merrick is a very good school district.

[ValleyNoMore]

And much like the news coverage... nobody appears to have any comment on the July 4th incident. So in response to one of the responses left, let me just add that both of the arrested boys are Valley Stream residents. The others, from what a teen present that night told me, were all VS residents that attend or attended VS Central HS. These were not youths from outside of the area.. they were our very own and thus indicative of the direction VS is heading in. As for Rosedale, Im not going to make comparisons because Im not qualified to do so, never having been a resident of that community. I only know that 25 years ago, Rosedale had a heavy Italian population and that this is no longer the case.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by ValleyNoMore

And much like the news coverage... nobody appears to have any comment on the July 4th incident. So in response to one of the responses left, let me just add that both of the arrested boys are Valley Stream residents. The others, from what a teen present that night told me, were all VS residents that attend or attended VS Central HS. These were not youths from outside of the area.. they were our very own and thus indicative of the direction VS is heading in. As for Rosedale, Im not going to make comparisons because Im not qualified to do so, never having been a resident of that community. I only know that 25 years ago, Rosedale had a heavy Italian population and that this is no longer the case.

You are incorrect. This has been discussed on other threads, including commentary from a high school student in VS who knew the two kids who were first arrested. Do a search.

And if those attackers were WHITE KIDS I daresay you would not be posting about them because they don't fit into your "time to move out there goes the neighborhood and this proves all blacks are animals" theory.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by KarenBo

Can you explain this further? I don't know very much about Rosedale other than I drive through it on my way to the belt parkway everyday and one of my co-workers lives there. My current impression of Rosedale is that it is a middle class predominantly black neighborhood. That, in and of itself, seems to be enough for some people to call it a ghetto. I'm not putting you in that category - I'm just asking for more information about your statement, your opinion of Rosedale, and what is causing this opinion.

You explained it for yourself. Rosedale's problem to people like this is simply too many blacks.

[mr.mrs.b.i]

Ok. Lets reference this.

I live VERY close to rosedale (not that far from hook creek). I grew up there, going to the bowling alley there, walking to green acres, etc. etc.

I know what it used to be.

Rosedale's problem isn't "too many blacks". And it kind of annoys me when people say that. I have tons of "black" friends and am not scared away by "them" at all. The problem is the ignorance and drugs and shootings. I was helping a friend move to Rosedale, and in broad day light, as kids were walking home from school, someone got shot and robbed and left for dead on the sidewalk. Now, I am almost 100% sure this was a personal thing, that they had some bad blood between them, but this doesn't change the fact it happened.

I used to walk in rosedale all the time, walk to green acres, walk to the pizza place around there, walk to the 7-11 etc. I would not walk round there at night anymore for sure. I usually drive through there without worrying, I go to the McD's (drive thru only) quite often with no worries so yeah.

Please do not group me in with the racists. The facts speak for themselves, not the demographic.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by mr.mrs.b.i

Ok. Lets reference this.

I live VERY close to rosedale (not that far from hook creek). I grew up there, going to the bowling alley there, walking to green acres, etc. etc.

I know what it used to be.

Rosedale's problem isn't "too many blacks". And it kind of annoys me when people say that. I have tons of "black" friends and am not scared away by "them" at all. The problem is the ignorance and drugs and shootings. I was helping a friend move to Rosedale, and in broad day light, as kids were walking home from school, someone got shot and robbed and left for dead on the sidewalk. Now, I am almost 100% sure this was a personal thing, that they had some bad blood between them, but this doesn't change the fact it happened.

I used to walk in rosedale all the time, walk to green acres, walk to the pizza place around there, walk to the 7-11 etc. I would not walk round there at night anymore for sure. I usually drive through there without worrying, I go to the McD's (drive thru only) quite often with no worries so yeah.

Please do not group me in with the racists. The facts speak for themselves, not the demographic.

Okay, I will not lump you in, but usually when people don't answer such questions that is why and you had not answered her question. I know people who live IN Rosedale and I have visited their homes also. They do not complain about street crime and I have never seen anything going on. That being said, crime does happen as it can anywhere. Do you think the incident you speak of is TYPICAL for Rosedale on a regular basis? If it were, the people I know who live there would have moved out.

Since you are very familiar with this area and mention the bowling alley, perhaps you can answer me a question. What had they been building on the site that used to be the bowling alley at Merrick Blvd. and Hook Creek Blvd.? It looked pretty big, but lately it seems that when I go by nobody is working and it is just stagnant. TIA if you have any idea what that is.

[mr.mrs.b.i]

I will not say its "typical" of Rosedale. You are right. However I do know for a fact there is a lot of drug dealing going on there. And thank you for not lumping me in.

As far as what they're building there, I have no idea. I would love to find out, but you're right, they aren't doing much with it anymore. Budgets perhaps?

I know in Lynbrook they had a whole row of stores they forced owners out of because they were going to build something, then the deal fell through/budget problems and now the stores are empty. Perhaps it is the same situation except the project had already started.

[sean sean sean sean]

Lots of drug dealing going on everywhere. Crime stats for all the communities discussed are available at RelocationEssentials.com. Rosedale, NY 11422 is well below the national average in most categories, in fact it's on par with most middle class areas on the south shore of Nassau and Western Suffolk. Homicide is a "6" while the average is a "5".....strangely I've noticed most areas in downstate NY are typically above average in that category alone (yes, even Long Island).

I have a bunch of friends from Rosedale who lived there when it was heavily Italian....they all say it's gone down the tubes, total s-hole, once the blacks moved in it was all over, yadda yadda. As if the creeks and marshlands down by Rockaway Turnpike aren't still loaded with bodies from mob hits carried out 20-30 years ago. What's the difference? I know former Rosedale residents who brag that "back in the day" they would drag black kids out in the street and beat them with crowbars, or throw rocks through their windows any time a black family moved into the neighborhood....like this is something to be proud of.

Honestly, it sounds like it was more of a Moderator cut: language back then to me.

It's 2009. We have the internet and accurate crime statistics kept by law enforcement professionals. I'll trust that data over some Tony Stugots' xenophobic sob story about the old neighborhood and the glory days when you could drop N-bombs in public and not get looked at like a child rapist.

This one is getting really tired, folks. Can we at least find a new dead horse to beat?

[TheTruth08]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Since you are very familiar with this area and mention the bowling alley, perhaps you can answer me a question. What had they been building on the site that used to be the bowling alley at Merrick Blvd. and Hook Creek Blvd.? It looked pretty big, but lately it seems that when I go by nobody is working and it is just stagnant. TIA if you have any idea what that is.

I used to live around there. They are building a CVS. Well they were. I don't know whats been going on, looks like they stopped. I miss that bowling alley. Ugh. I wan't to move back to Valley Stream.