As a taxpayer....would you prefer to trim back on Education or Law Enforcement? (bad credit, schools)

[dman72]

Originally Posted by I have a voice

That website is garbage I don't pay attention to it. The posters who complain about the police go over the edge and those defending the police (I hope they aren't real cops) go over the edge as well. That forum is a wasteland with no intelligence left.

That's what happens when you have no moderation and anyone can post under multiple monikers.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by LIGIRL08

You know what would make it honest? if LI districts published salary schedules. And this is what my friends told me -who knows if they are being honest?

Again, I think that they are public record and you can request them from the school board. Yes, you have to put in some effort.

[LIGIRL08]

Originally Posted by Miranda'sMom

OhBeeHave said..."My children receive an education from the teachers; once they have graduated and moved on I will pay into a system which I will no longer receiving anything out of." It's funny how people feel this way, and yet when they are talking about the value of their home, they include their high-performing school district as a selling point. And, the education of the children in your community is not important at all? Wouldn't you prefer that they grow up and be responsible, educated, working adults that contribute positively to our society?
To LIGIRL08: As for the classes that teachers take in addition to their Master's Degree...those classes are meant to improve teaching strategies, and inspire new and creative ideas to be used in the classroom. They are not all computer on-line classes, and if you haven't personally taken them you are in no position to call them a "joke". I have 45 credits of classes that were taken on weekends (5 in a row, Friday PM, Saturday and Sunday all day) or two nights a week for a full semester. They take a lot of my personal time and it is time spent learning something new for my profession. I take them seriously, and I should be compensated for my time and efforts. I have posted my salary in a different thread, and I will again. I believe the salaries posted here are highly inflated. I work in a well paying school district and have 9 years experience there (plus 4 years at a private school), with a Master's Degree +45 additional credits...for $68,500. Our district only allows 60 additional credits...do they really allow up to 90 credits, and have your friends actually shown you the pay scale? The numbers you quote seem very inflated.

I read another message board in which teachers were posting their salaries. Everyone was at masters + something; 6-12 years, and only one person was making in the 60s as you are. There were quite a few people making in the $90s, breaking $100.

Are they lying? I have no idea. No one has ever shown me a salary schedule - which in my post, which you didnt mention, is what I suggested, salary schedules should be public information.

"I have 45 credits of classes that were taken on weekends (5 in a row, Friday PM, Saturday and Sunday all day) or two nights a week for a full semester" - TWO nights a week for a full semester = 45 credits? since when? Normal masters classes are 3 credits a class, once a week for a full semester. So Two nights a week for a full semester should be only SIX credits, not 45. That is my issue.

And my husband has taken Dellecave, he said they were quite easy.

And please don't get me wrong, you should be paid a salary for you to live here. I think the "plus" credits should be towards another degree. JMO.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by LIGIRL08

I read another message board in which teachers were posting their salaries. Everyone was at masters + something; 6-12 years, and only one person was making in the 60s as you are. There were quite a few people making in the $90s, breaking $100.

Are they lying? I have no idea. No one has ever shown me a salary schedule - which in my post, which you didnt mention, is what I suggested, salary schedules should be public information.

"I have 45 credits of classes that were taken on weekends (5 in a row, Friday PM, Saturday and Sunday all day) or two nights a week for a full semester" - TWO nights a week for a full semester = 45 credits? since when? Normal masters classes are 3 credits a class, once a week for a full semester. So Two nights a week for a full semester should be only SIX credits, not 45. That is my issue.

And my husband has taken Dellecave, he said they were quite easy.

And please don't get me wrong, you should be paid a salary for you to live here. I think the "plus" credits should be towards another degree. JMO.

In all fairness, I'm married to a teacher, and many of the credits shes taken are not equivalent to the credits she's received if you compare them to what is required at a college or university. I agree that this is an area that should be tightened to keep salaries down. I'm being honest......


...some other people around here with close ties to SCPD should try doing the same, before they start searching for my old posts.

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[OhBeeHave]

Originally Posted by Miranda'sMom

OhBeeHave said..."My children receive an education from the teachers; once they have graduated and moved on I will pay into a system which I will no longer receiving anything out of." It's funny how people feel this way, and yet when they are talking about the value of their home, they include their high-performing school district as a selling point. And, the education of the children in your community is not important at all? Wouldn't you prefer that they grow up and be responsible, educated, working adults that contribute positively to our society?.......I believe the salaries posted here are highly inflated. I work in a well paying school district and have 9 years experience there (plus 4 years at a private school), with a Master's Degree +45 additional credits...for $68,500. Our district only allows 60 additional credits...do they really allow up to 90 credits, and have your friends actually shown you the pay scale? The numbers you quote seem very inflated.

The school unions try the scare tactics: "Your property values will go down" or use the ploy "It's for the kids." Well my school taxes have gone up, my property value is continuing to go down in this market, and the kids are losing programs every year. The only group in the equation who appear to be ahead are the admins and teachers. Even our janitorial staff suffered cuts. I am not stating this is your fault, this is a collective issue (the NYS unfunded mandates don't help either.) However it is frustrating.

http://www.wakingbear.com/images/sto...vs_1999-09.pdf
The above link is the Three Village Central School District payroll with 1996 compared to 1999. A local man FOILed this info as he could not receive the schedule by simply asking. Remember that these are 9 year old figures.

[I have a voice]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

Agreed upon the men and women in the service.

I do grasp it, however because you and others do not value it as much as I and others might, doesn't mean it isn't valuable. We both have different ideas as to where their values lie, and chances are it is somewhere in the middle.

I'm not saying I don't value the service the police provide - I value it enormously. I'm just saying the market for police officers dictates their value to be low because the job is not highly skilled. Not many people have the aptitude to become a surgeon or even an accountant, but most have the aptitude to become a cop.

Let me ask you this - if you value the cops over and above the market, why don't you pay extra for their services? To me, a cop making 85K will do just as good of a job as one making 125k. Hell, the cop making 85K will probably have less of an attitude problem as well!

[dman72]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

The school unions try the scare tactics: "Your property values will go down" or use the ploy "It's for the kids." Well my school taxes have gone up, my property value is continuing to go down in this market, and the kids are losing programs every year. The only group in the equation who appear to be ahead are the admins and teachers. Even our janitorial staff suffered cuts. I am not stating this is your fault, this is a collective issue (the NYS unfunded mandates don't help either.) However it is frustrating.

http://www.wakingbear.com/images/sto...vs_1999-09.pdf
The above link is the Three Village Central School District payroll with 1996 compared to 1999. A local man FOILed this info as he could not receive the schedule by simply asking. Remember that these are 9 year old figures.

The school unions try scare tactics.

The "vote the budget down no matter what" crowd tries outright lies like exaggerating salaries and making up or exaggerating stories about abusive or lazy teachers. Nobody wins when you tell lies. Ya know?

[dman72]

Originally Posted by I have a voice

Let me ask you this - if you value the cops over and above the market, why don't you pay extra for their services? To me, a cop making 85K will do just as good of a job as one making 125k. Hell, the cop making 85K will probably have less of an attitude problem as well!

I'm gonna tell you right now..I never even thought twice about SCPD until I went on LI politics. I was on there talking about other issues, ventured over to the police forum, and after seeing some of the stuff posted by cops..the bragging about how little they do and how much they make (backed by too much detail to be someone just trolling..had to be an actual cop or relative), I've gone sour on them. I know there are probably 2 or 3 guys out of 2500 who bother going there, but..that's what happens.

[I have a voice]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

The school unions try the scare tactics: "Your property values will go down" or use the ploy "It's for the kids." Well my school taxes have gone up, my property value is continuing to go down in this market, and the kids are losing programs every year. The only group in the equation who appear to be ahead are the admins and teachers. Even our janitorial staff suffered cuts. I am not stating this is your fault, this is a collective issue (the NYS unfunded mandates don't help either.) However it is frustrating.

http://www.wakingbear.com/images/sto...vs_1999-09.pdf
The above link is the Three Village Central School District payroll with 1996 compared to 1999. A local man FOILed this info as he could not receive the schedule by simply asking. Remember that these are 9 year old figures.

What's your opinion of the PBA, who uses the scare tactics - "if we have to pay a penny towards our healthcare crime will run rampant". The PBA is just as guilty (if not moreso playing with the public when it comes to crime) than the teachers union.

Have you forgotten what Gary Delarrbba, head of the NCPD police union told the rank and file a few years ago as a contract posturing measure? He told the police to not respond to a call when a baby stopped breathing if it isn't an area they normally work. If they get this kind of casll, wait until someone who normally works the area meets up with them, then go on to that call. Yea, it sounds like the police really care about us residents - so long as the pocket book remains wide open and deep.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by I have a voice

What's your opinion of the PBA, who uses the scare tactics - "if we have to pay a penny towards our healthcare crime will run rampant". The PBA is just as guilty (if not moreso playing with the public when it comes to crime) than the teachers union.

Have you forgotten what Gary Delarrbba, head of the NCPD police union told the rank and file a few years ago as a contract posturing measure? He told the police to not respond to a call when a baby stopped breathing if it isn't an area they normally work. If they get this kind of casll, wait until someone who normally works the area meets up with them, then go on to that call. Yea, it sounds like the police really care about us residents - so long as the pocket book remains wide open and deep.

Gotta love the threats. Delaraba is a mobster posing as a human being. All the pols in NC are afraid of him, which makes the PD his foot soldier mobsters!!

In truth, the only reason they have this much power is that the populace is either too busy or too lazy to get involved and demand change.