Who will be our next president? (Clinton, Rush: real estate, insurance, home)

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by OhBeeHave

That's OHBeeHave to you Seann with two Ns

Bear in mind my first post: it's not so much as who I am voting for, rather who I am voting against. Whoever inflicts the most damage with their policy will be the one I vote against.

Have we had a perfect administration in the past 25+ years? Not that I condone mediocrity but either candidate is going to give us the same ole stuff. It's a question of how you like it served up: steaming plate of liberal goulash or well aged not so conservative stew.

McCain and Obama can point fingers and backbite all they want. We are the ones who have to sift through the malarkey.

Affordable health care: People have been told to look into the Massachusetts model -- it's a state version but has been eyed as an example for nationalized health care. While it has 71% of the uninsured now covered, it is not without cost.
Progressive States Network | Mass Health Care Plan Proves Costly to Individual Citizens

College tuition aid for whose children? Long Islanders are considered rich as opposed to much of the country -- does anyone have the percentage of LIers who fell into the AMT as opposed to those throughout the country? Perhaps the poorest of the poor on LI will realize some form of college tuition aid, but for most LIers -- start saving your money.

What is this wealth redistribution? And where is the cut off between the haves and the have nots?

Obama's Trillion-Dollar Spending Plan - Capital Commerce (usnews.com)

The fact that Obama did not support a law in which hospitals should care for infants who were born alive during an abortion makes him rather cold in my eyes. Those babies were left to die, often alone, after a 'failed' abortion. I support abortion rights, but if a child is born alive -- make him or her a ward of the state and give them a chance to continue to live. Being born alive and then left to die without treatment is murder.

I'm not a war supporter, don't believe we should be sending out copious amounts of foreign aid. We have a mess in the country and need to address that first and foremost. Borrowing from Peter to pay Paul is wrong as is the Robin Hood approach. Big business needs to be reigned in, and taxed appropriately. No more shelters and any that out source to another country should be subject to additional tariffs.

To clarify one thing with that "born alive bill". It was basically a bill whose purpose was to set the foot work overturn Roe V Wade. Laws were already on the books in Illinois that forced hospitals to provide coverage and care in any such situation.

[GigiBowman]

Originally Posted by fopt65

McCain because after Bush's first term, I don't want one party in charge of legislature and executive branch. You need checks and balances.

Very good answer

[sean sean sean sean]

I prefer that Obama wins, but I don't honestly think he will. That's not to say I'm giddy over Barack either, universal healthcare scares me but I think it's too radical to actually become a reality, at least in the format that Obama has presented thus far. McCain doesn't know how to use the internet, that says it all to me right there: A candidate who is entirely out of touch with the majority of the country.

I don't really think that America is going to elect a black president, though. Especially one with "Hussein" for a middle name. Does that sound too simple? Most people are that simple in this country. If they weren't, Kerry would have won the last election and the voting populace wouldn't have been swayed by the unbelievably retarded albeit superbly timed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign. The youth vote always looks a lot better in polls than it does in the ballot box (again, remember 2004?). You really think all those college kids with Obama stickers on their Volkswagen Golfs have the attention span to mail in those absentee ballots? I was that age in the last election and I think maybe one or two of my friends voted, despite being fiercely opinionated about the election (I did, btw - for Kerry). When all is said and done, the majority of voter turnout will be people who likely attended white or black elementary schools and drank from different water fountains. No way a black man wins, it's a pipe dream.

As to who I'm actually voting for....I've realized at this point NY will vote Democrat no matter what so voting Obama would be nothing but symbolic for me....but like I said, I don't love Obama so I'll probably just vote for whoever the wackiest candidate on the ballot is, or write in somebody really extreme. In past elections, I've written in Libertarian candidates many times but as far as I'm concerned that party has gone down the tubes in the last eight years and is now just marketing itself as an alternative for disaffected Republicans. Bob Barr sucks. I guess I don't really care all that much, local elections are much more important to me.

Lancet71 - voting for a third party does serve the purpose of boosting that party's federal financial aid. Even if the candidate has no hope of winning, voting for the party is still worth it if it's an ideology you believe in....or if you don't believe in the ridiculous two party system we've got now.

[xbure9x]

I'm voting for Sean x4 !!

Truth be told, I think you'd make a better president than the clowns we have to choose from. then again, my cat might make a better candidate, so I think our country is in trouble...yikes

[Lancet71]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

I prefer that Obama wins, but I don't honestly think he will. That's not to say I'm giddy over Barack either, universal healthcare scares me but I think it's too radical to actually become a reality, at least in the format that Obama has presented thus far. McCain doesn't know how to use the internet, that says it all to me right there: A candidate who is entirely out of touch with the majority of the country.

I don't really think that America is going to elect a black president, though. Especially one with "Hussein" for a middle name. Does that sound too simple? Most people are that simple in this country. If they weren't, Kerry would have won the last election and the voting populace wouldn't have been swayed by the unbelievably retarded albeit superbly timed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth campaign. The youth vote always looks a lot better in polls than it does in the ballot box (again, remember 2004?). You really think all those college kids with Obama stickers on their Volkswagen Golfs have the attention span to mail in those absentee ballots? I was that age in the last election and I think maybe one or two of my friends voted, despite being fiercely opinionated about the election (I did, btw - for Kerry). When all is said and done, the majority of voter turnout will be people who likely attended white or black elementary schools and drank from different water fountains. No way a black man wins, it's a pipe dream.

As to who I'm actually voting for....I've realized at this point NY will vote Democrat no matter what so voting Obama would be nothing but symbolic for me....but like I said, I don't love Obama so I'll probably just vote for whoever the wackiest candidate on the ballot is, or write in somebody really extreme. In past elections, I've written in Libertarian candidates many times but as far as I'm concerned that party has gone down the tubes in the last eight years and is now just marketing itself as an alternative for disaffected Republicans. Bob Barr sucks. I guess I don't really care all that much, local elections are much more important to me.

Lancet71 - voting for a third party does serve the purpose of boosting that party's federal financial aid. Even if the candidate has no hope of winning, voting for the party is still worth it if it's an ideology you believe in....or if you don't believe in the ridiculous two party system we've got now.

I don't believe there should be a two party system at all. I do believe there should be an actual IQ test so uneducated idiots like Bush never get to lead our country but getting back to the independents; what has it done for Ross Perot or Ralph Nader? Nothing at all! Maybe "W" never would have been in office if not for Nader being involved. That we will never know and maybe 4000+ families would still have sons and daughters alive that were sent to Afghanistan and especially Iraq.Also the only reason we ever went to Iraq was the simple fact that Jr. was going after Saddam because he fought with daddy---no other reason!

[Lancet71]

Originally Posted by xbure9x

I'm voting for Sean x4 !!

Truth be told, I think you'd make a better president than the clowns we have to choose from. then again, my cat might make a better candidate, so I think our country is in trouble...yikes

I have to say you might be on to something.Do you ever wonder if they had a multiple choice test for all decisions how much better it would have been over the last 8 years even if randomly filled in 1 for yes and 2 for no without reading the question? Should we go to war?Raise taxes? Tax breaks? It couldn't have been worse...

[GigiBowman]

There's the other side of the coin.......

Do you actually believe in the voting system?

I don't

Originally Posted by GigiBowman

If Paul wanted to win he would have gone 3rd Party. Maybe that wasn't his agenda. I think he just wanted to wake the people up in his own way. He's happy in Congress and his little life in Texas. On the banking committee he gets to slam Bernanke a few times a year. He has made a lot of money writing his books and he has another one waiting in the wings --his memoir. I think he has groomed his son to one day become President. Unfortunately we're stuck with McCain as the nominee.

Honestly, McCain came out of nowhere. The GOP was pushing Huckabee in the beginnng and then they backtracked and suddenly McCain was the man --meanwhile he had only raised $1.4 million. It made no sense. Ron Paul had raised quadruple the amount by the first vote in the primary New Hampshire. In Iowa --the first primary-- Huckabee had won.

In New York we discovered voter fraud. We gathered the information and sent it off to the lawyers of Ron Paul. It was rampant all over long island. Stories started coming out everywhere in the Ron Paul Underground...but no mention of it in the MSM of course.

I'm going to post a picture of the voter fraud I personally found as a precinct leader. I was far from the only one who came across this.

Voter Fraud

People were walking into polling places and being told that Ron Paul was no longer running and was crossed off the ballot. This was a complete lie. Ron Paul had never dropped out. Yet his name was crossed off the display outside and inside the poll booth. Gulianai HAD dropped out his name was crossed off but so was Ron Pauls. Polling people across the country had been told that Ron Paul dropped out and to cross him off the ballot. People who wanted to vote for him were told they could not. The lever for Ron Paul was locked. After I came out with this information and posted it on Ron Paul message boards across the country.....people started coming out with this everywhere across the country. It was super tuesday.....and it took away my faith in the Government completely

Evidence submitted to Ron Paul's lawyer







I believe that voter fraud is very real and I believe that the Republican Primaries were hijacked.

Here is more proof of vote tampering.

This is amazing. This is Bev Harris who put out this yutube --owner of black box voting:

YouTube - NH Voter/Election Fraud? Secure Ballots? Clean Elections? P1


YouTube - New Hampshire Chain of Custody Sham: "Who's responsible?" P2


and another example of what was going on. The only reason this came to light was because Ron Paul supporters were online the night that the votes were being counted. A Ron Paul supporter from Sutton County New Hampshire begged the supporters to have the votes looked out in their county because the count came up 0 on Politico.com. She knew that three members of her family had voted for Ron Paul. We called Divvy Kidd, Alex Jones...and anyone who would listen. Turned out Sutton County didn't have 0 votes for Ron Paul after a recount it had 31 votes.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/23647



This was just 3 forms of voter fraud.......



Yet none of it was in the mainstream media. Hush hush.....and out of nowhere....McCain takes the nomination. I would have believed in the voting process more had Romney taken it....but the GOP decided that McCain would be the chosen one.


Unfortuntely we weren't big enough to be heard. No one cared about the Ron Paul Supporters. We were kooks, tin foil hat wearers. We were made to look like idiots, Ron Paul was made to look ridiculous at the primaries. Did anyone ever wonder why all the other gentlemen at the debates could hear in their microphones so clearly yet Ron Paul had trouble with his mike at every debate? "what did you say?" "Can you repeat that?" He looked like a batty old man.

That batty old man had more brains in his little pinky than the Republican Nominee, McCain had in his entire body.


I do not believe in the system.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by Lancet71

Well George W. was supposedly a pilot that attended Yale.Now if he is a person from Yale then our educational system must really suck!!!

I guess it depends on how you got there. W got there because his family was rich, powerful, and connected, and that increases your chances to get into a place like Yale were they have a thing called "legacy" admissions.


People like Clinton and Obama actually had to earn their admissions to places like Harvard, Yale, and Oxford. W has been given everything in his life, and has screwed all of it up.

[Lancet71]

Originally Posted by dman72

I guess it depends on how you got there. W got there because his family was rich, powerful, and connected, and that increases your chances to get into a place like Yale were they have a thing called "legacy" admissions.


People like Clinton and Obama actually had to earn their admissions to places like Harvard, Yale, and Oxford. W has been given everything in his life, and has screwed all of it up.

Good comments--thank you.

[Keeper]

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