Welcome to Long Island:All of the Traffic, None of the Infrastucture. (Yaphank: mortgage)

[I have a voice]

Originally Posted by happycamper5

who the hell says eastern long island needs to grow??you! sorry pal we will bankrupt you!!!NEVER HAPPEN..real long islanders will sit in traffic for 2-3 hours and pay 30k a year in taxes before Moderator cut: comment you get your way!!

eastern LI does need to grow, increasing the tax base is the way to decrease taxes. By the way, I'll ignore the name calling, but as another poster in this thread stated... if you fail to plan ahead and the result you didn't want happens anyway, you lose your right to complain about it.

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by TomMoser

This is a good point. The problem with Long Island is not the growth that we have experienced, it is the lack of planning for the growth.

Long Island is a victim of its own success.

If we do live in a Country where Money is God.

We are living on Gods beach.

Demand will always be high.

The question is how do we adapt to the inevitable.
Im sure Manhattan had farms once too.

Tears and all...we cant fight the tide.

crookhaven

[BCW]

LI has all of the transportation issues of a High Density population area and none of the mass transit solutions. I find that i agree with you in that LI'ers in general are hanging on to an outdated view of their environment. According to current population stats this ain't suburbia anymore, least of all Nassau County and somewhat western Suffolk.

Perhaps some feel that employing mass transit solutions will cause the population to grow even more rapidly, causing an irrevocable change to what they try to preserve. But their ideal suburban lifestyle (and it surely was ideal once upon a time) has already been changed, and many may fear any further erosion. Though i can empathize, imo the reality is that change must come if LI is to continue to prosper.

The lack of open land will surely complicate matters. Where can they add another lane onto the at-limit existing roadways that LI was built around? -not that one more lane will help anyway. High rises near train stations (town centers?) as TM suggests may be a good start, but most of the land surrounding these stations is already privately owned and improved. eminent domain anyone? It may become a last resort to achieve such change.

NYMBYism is also a real force here on LI. I live near a station, and i myself wouldn't appreciate high rises near me, not with all of the additional people that brings -they require parking, shopping, schools, water, power, sewage...my locality cannot comply. For example we're already approaching to within approx. 15% of our water supply capacity, and our margin of available power on LI is slim enough already. The influx of taxes can aid in such capital improvements, but we need the improvements before we can accommodate the pop. increase.

[I have a voice]

BCW, why add to towns that are already overly populated? Why create high rises? Why not make high speed rails, above existing LIRR tracks? Keep the LIRR for all of the local stops, but use these high speed rails to get people from eastern LI into Manhattan in under 35 minutes. This way eastern LI can grow naturally and the LIRR (which is already over taxed in terms of usage) will not have more riders crammed into their cars.

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by I have a voice

BCW, why add to towns that are already overly populated? Why create high rises? Why not make high speed rails, above existing LIRR tracks? Keep the LIRR for all of the local stops, but use these high speed rails to get people from eastern LI into Manhattan in under 35 minutes. This way eastern LI can grow naturally and the LIRR (which is already over taxed in terms of usage) will not have more riders crammed into their cars.

Amen

However I believe Yaphank (The Old Suffolk Meadows is aready razed and treeless) is the best location for an East End Intermodal.

We should endeavor to keep the Forks recreational due to the Tourist revenue associated with them.

crookhaven

[happycamper5]

I guess we all have dreams and your dream is our nightmare!! we'll see who wins ? like I said before i just hope my kids and I are long gone!

[BCW]

Originally Posted by I have a voice

BCW, why add to towns that are already overly populated? Why create high rises? Why not make high speed rails, above existing LIRR tracks? Keep the LIRR for all of the local stops, but use these high speed rails to get people from eastern LI into Manhattan in under 35 minutes. This way eastern LI can grow naturally and the LIRR (which is already over taxed in terms of usage) will not have more riders crammed into their cars.

I think that any improvement in transportation will inevitably result in an increased population. What are we now on LI? 2.5, 2.8 million strong? Wow! One of the bigger limitations/influences on LI's pop. density is currently travel time to NYC (ah those good paying jobs!). Don't misunderstand me, personally, i'd adore a high speed train, a LI Bullet. That would be pretty cool and i dearly hope to see your idea implemented someday.

But the overpopulated towns already exist, and we, here in Nassau and western Suffolk, are already in dire need of mass transport relief. I'd guess that there's only so much $ in a given budget, which causes triage-like decisions. The money must be spent where its most needed/effective at the current time. Yeah, Tom called it -poor planning/zoning will delay the solutions and hinder anticipating future growth.

[happycamper5]

Originally Posted by I have a voice

With your thinking no progress would ever be made, so I say good riddance to you and your kids.

define progress??nassau,queens,china town maybe? you crack me up,there are 3 million folks who think like me and have all the money and political power so the odds for now at least are against you.My kids will breath clean air and swim in clean beaches while buying fresh produce at a local farm stand for a long time! we pick real pumpkins chop a real christmas tree...if progress is buying all that at home depot or cosco then yes i am against YOUR progress..the reason there are no bridges or good roads and trains is we like long island!! and are willing to pay to keep it that way!!

[dogcrazy]

HappyCamper,sorry to break it to you but this place will just continue to get more and more built up as the years go by.We will continue to get taxed taxed taxed and have more taken away.Don't get me wrong,i feel the same way you do.I think this place is too built up as it is.Many people including myself feel like it will look like the city if things keep going the way they do.I do not know what it used to look like long ago because i am too young,but everyone says it used to be nothing but farmland.Kind of hard to picture.Alls i know is i'm out in a few years once i sell my house.Hopefully make some kind of profit.Best of luck to you

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by dogcrazy

HappyCamper,sorry to break it to you but this place will just continue to get more and more built up as the years go by.We will continue to get taxed taxed taxed and have more taken away.Don't get me wrong,i feel the same way you do.I think this place is too built up as it is.Many people including myself feel like it will look like the city if things keep going the way they do.I do not know what it used to look like long ago because i am too young,but everyone says it used to be nothing but farmland.Kind of hard to picture.Alls i know is i'm out in a few years once i sell my house.Hopefully make some kind of profit.Best of luck to you

Agreed

Supply/Demand

Finite land mass

*See Manhattan

crookhaven