Why Long Island Sucks (Hempstead, Stony Brook: Valentine's day, lawyers, neighborhoods)

[OvertaxedOnLI]

Originally Posted by Dedalus

Yes, of course. This is the INTERNET. You (any of you, that is) don't think that any of these rude words really signal any serious emnity? Jeez!

I'd sure assume/hope not. Not unless there are any schizoid stalker/axe murderers or something similar amongst us, that is.

One of the good or bad things (depending on your point of view) about any Internet forum is that it can so easily suck people into the habit of blowing off steam, and that in turn can magnify issues or conversations into something more than they'd normally be (or even should be). I'll readily admit to being guilty of that myself. Sharing info is admirable, sharing emotions can be.... well... less so.

I just realized this is the third time I've agreed with Dedalus in the past six hours. I must be getting soft in the head. Seriously though, you do come across as a very intelligent person when you're not deliberately being confrontational, you know. And I certainly don't envy you having to work at this time of day, er, night. Have a safe drive home from wherever your job is!

[Dedalus]

When one reads say, Jack London, one gets the impression that animals are always fighting. Any biologist could tell you that that is not the case. Conflict between animals is generally solved by a lot of growling and feints and, one backing down after a lot of noise and to do. Animals that are always actually fighting are not very well adapted and don't generally survive.

All this internet foofraw is kind of like that.

[OvertaxedOnLI]

Great point. I'll give you props for that!

The recent Animal Planet series 'Meerkat Manor' illustrated that perfectly. Only as a last resort do rival meerkat families physically fight each other. Even against a major predator such as the horned viper, all the "sound and posturing" options are exhausted first. The price of actual combat is usually higher than it's worth.

There's a political analogy in there somewhere but I'm too tired to unravel it, LOL!

[BovinaCowHateWindTurbines]

Originally Posted by OvertaxedOnLI

Is that still there?! Wow. I remember going out there for dinner in the late 1960s/early 1970s. Excellent steaks! Is it still owned by the same people or did someone else take it over and just keep the name?

Came back to add: I'm having a Senior Moment, I guess, because for some reason I now seem to recall the Elbow Room being farther east than Jamesport..... Greenport maybe?? Did they move to Jamesport?

The 2 classic East End restaurants I remember from Ye Olden Days are the Elbow Room and Claudio's. Claudio's for fish, Elbow Room for beef....

It is still there the original in Jamesport - Elbow two in Laurel before Mattituck and Elbow East in southould same people same food. It was I think the last place I ate out before I moved off the Island. See there is still something left on the Island.

[arjr]

Originally Posted by Vagus

BRAVO!!!!!

Brilliant post.

I grew up on Long Island and was absolutely overjoyed the day I left for good.

Your post beautifully highlights everything I said about that place for 20 years: all the hassles of living in a metropolitan area (cost, crowding, traffic) with none of the benefits (culture, convenience).

Whenever I hear of someone considering moving to Long Island I tell them to go have their head examined.

AMEN!

Zeroing in on a posters ethnic prejudices, and their complaining natures does not change the facts.

The original poster was dead on.....LI SUCKS!

Born and lived here for 57 years, and I have noted the steady deterioration in every geographical area, and basically every aspect of LI life. All have been stated here, and in other posts, ad infinitum, by numerous agitated LI'ers.

...and if I make it the few more years until my wife retires...will be out of here like a BAT out of HELL!

[NDL]

Originally Posted by queens2ligirl

BUT, the housewives that have moral, values and work part time like myself, every day from 9 until 1, and raise a good, moral, loving, little boy, is a DAMN GOOD MOTHER! I am not offended, but, I just want you to know that every housewife is NOT good for nothing....remember, you have a mother...housewife or not....

There is no greater, nor more important, job, than a Housewife/Mother.

I don't want to derail the thread, nor do I want to debate other posters, but I had to post my agreement with what you wrote.

[YapCity]

Originally Posted by NDL

There is no greater, nor more important, job, than a Housewife/Mother.

...say that when your husband quits his paying job to sit home and play nintendo all day

It's an important job, but no more or less important that the job of the husband, who is usually there with a stay-at-home mom. I look at it this way.

My job is accounts receivable/accounts payable.

My wife manages supply and operations

We both manage HR (the kids), lol.

I know it's very romantic and Oprah-ish to hold your head high and think what you do is harder and more demanding than what any man does. Unfortunately, that kind of attitude dissolves many marriages quickly.
Appreciation works both ways

-TT

[Dedalus]

[quote=YapCity;373388
I know it's very romantic and Oprah-ish to hold your head high and think what you do is harder and more demanding than what any man does. Unfortunately, that kind of attitude dissolves many marriages quickly.
Appreciation works both ways

-TT[/QUOTE]

You do have a point there.

Housework (something I do my share of, I hasten to add) may be mindless drudgery, and boring. But, it is done for people you love and who love you, and it's appreciated in a personal manner.

In the workplace, merit is not always appreciated. Most often, it's what they can get out of you.

[NDL]

Yap, you draw forth many good points.

Even so, whether it's known or not, this poster is a man. Likewise, whether it's known or not, I am not, in any way, apologetic, or ashamed, over the fact that I am a man.

Instead my value of stay-at-home-Mothers, is drawn upon the things I see in society.

Some can afford to stay at home, while many cannot. Surely I address not, those who cannot afford to stay at home.

I see in society today, a lack of foundational values - the values that hold society together. Is there a correlation between the lack of traditional parenting, and lack of values? I believe the answer is yes.

Likewise, I see the general health of the public, declining. Is there a direct correlation between the increasing incidence of eating outside the home, and poor health? I believe the answer is yes.

Are the values and moral fabric of society's members important? Is good health important? I believe the answer to both questions is yes - hence my appreciation towards those parents', who work hard at being good parents'.

And even today, more often than not, the Parent who takes on a full time role in instilling said values/habits, is usually the child's Mother.

[Dedalus]

In an attempt to be civil, for once...

The problem I see with Long Island, which it shares with suburbs in general, is that people don't see the real world like a lot of other people do. This especially affects kids.

They do not see real poor people. So, they are apt to think that they are "poor" if their Dad drives a Ford and not a beemer. They do not see gang violence and hard core drug use, and the consequences of such behavior. So, they may view such as "cool" or something. Going to school in NYC, I saw real bums...smelled them, too. I don't have any illusions about junkies and gangbangers, as a result. They do not see factories, where the products they use every day are made. So, they are apt to think that these things come from the store, and that it's someone else's job to make them.