"Hate crime" in Patchogue (insurance, how much, high schools)

[Jrprofess]

Originally Posted by Johninwestbury

And of course if it was a bunch of hispanic kids killing a white person it wouldn't be a hate crime. Everyone seems to forget about all the innocent citizens killed by illegal immigrants, and no one calls those hate crimes.
Yesterday a woman in Riverhead was telling me about the illegals loitering by the train station, and the daily pickpocketting and attempted attacks on women there, but yet that gets hardly a mention in the news.
Like I said before, the news wants to help these guys to help their rich connected friends who employ them as illegal day laborers.

Neither is appropriate. Both should be met with disgust. I do not think it is appropriate to dismiss what did occur by noting some other injustice. They are both issues deserving the same legal/social response.

[Jrprofess]

Originally Posted by azzurrony

Arangoa--and you are bording on foolish if you believe the media would even care about a hate crime against whites. They occur all the time, but we don't hear about it because it is not politically expedient. This is all about POWER...it's a money and power grab by a Hispanic Lobby to exploit a horrible situation.

What happened in Patchogue is sick and disgusting, but it is no worse than what happens in the streets of this country everyday.

What's really sick in that article is how they say STEVE LEVY has BLOOD on his hands..excuse me? That's just irresponsible to say something like that. Just because someone wants to actually ENFORCE our immigration laws, does not make him an accessory to murder.

Ridiculous.

They are threatening suit against Levy and the parents to bring to light a social issue they feel deserves needed attention. We are all fooling ourselves if we think there are not daily comments made in long island about the day laborers and/or hispanic workers throughout our neighborhoods. I 100% back Levy on his immigrant stance, and do not support the comments of this hispanic group, but they are not doing anything different than other grass roots immigrant groups have done for years in order to get a public response to their social mission. I disagree that it deserves less notice (the crime that is) because you claim it is something that happens on the streets every day. Any crime like this deserves to be publicly villified, but lamenting that racial attacks against whites are never reported is really a comment that this is nothing special. I have read recent stories about white students at Columbia jumped by minority groups due to their ethnicity but what does that matter? It is all disgusting...to claim one is under-reported versus another shows an indirect bias in my opinion.

Again, just my two cents...and worth less than that...
JRP

[arangoa79]

Spot on

[dman72]

Originally Posted by Jrprofess

They are threatening suit against Levy and the parents to bring to light a social issue they feel deserves needed attention. We are all fooling ourselves if we think there are not daily comments made in long island about the day laborers and/or hispanic workers throughout our neighborhoods. I 100% back Levy on his immigrant stance, and do not support the comments of this hispanic group, but they are not doing anything different than other grass roots immigrant groups have done for years in order to get a public response to their social mission. I disagree that it deserves less notice (the crime that is) because you claim it is something that happens on the streets every day. Any crime like this deserves to be publicly villified, but lamenting that racial attacks against whites are never reported is really a comment that this is nothing special. I have read recent stories about white students at Columbia jumped by minority groups due to their ethnicity but what does that matter? It is all disgusting...to claim one is under-reported versus another shows an indirect bias in my opinion.

Again, just my two cents...and worth less than that...
JRP

I'm not so sure that other grass roots immigrant groups are going around putting trying to put responsibility on government officials because some thugs decided to stab someone. This guy Hernandez is WAY over the top in his accusations.

[azzurrony]

Jrprofess--Asking that hate crimes on whites be treated or reported equally to hate crimes on other ethnicities is indirect bias? Do you realize the logical inconsistency of pairing bias with equal treatment or reporting?

Also, just because grass root immigrant groups of the past have used their lobbying power for political blackmail does not make it right.

The fact of the matter is that 2008 America caters to immigrant groups in a way that it has never done before. Americans walk on eggshells for fear of offending someone in the slightest way. Immigrant groups are allowed (and many times receive federal and state funding) for the promotion of their television, music, arts, and language. Corporations and universities alike have very rigid quotas to meet their diversity initiatives. This was never the case with past immigrant groups. So, if anything, our country has a bias towards giving deference to and favoring immigrant groups.

[suzook]

well, i have a few comments on this crime. I have had 3 of the kids who did this in my home over a dozen times in the last few years. dont get me wrong, i DONT CONDONE WHAT THEY DID. but i am trying to understand how this happened. my daughter is a dark skinned hispanic, and actually dated one of the kids. i guess you really dont people as well as you think you do. these kids were always polite, and had very good manners. i have met their parents at parent teacher meetings. the parents SHOULD NOT be fiscally responsible for what they did. i am still in shock about this. I def think they should be prosecuted fully.Its a real shame these kids did what they did.

[Seann]

This thread is just terrible. Hate crimes against Whites are wrong. Hate crimes against Hispanics are wrong. Hate crimes against illegal Hispanics are also wrong.

What I see here are a bunch of people grasping for false equivalencies to avoid facing the horrific act that these boys took part in.

"Well, if it was a White person......."

Bull****! It wasn't. It was a Hispanic man walking down a street minding his own damn business. He wasn't mugging anybody at a train station, so I just don't see how that is relevant, or how it makes him less innocent.

The dishonesty and the bigotry here is disgusting!

[ckhthankgod]

Here's an interesting magazine article I checked out a while back that is related to this incident:SPLCenter.org: Immigration Backlash

By the way, was the Black kid a Black Hispanic? I asked because it did say on a report that a Puerto Rican kid was involved and maybe that is the same kid. I also ask because Patchogue I believe has quite a few Black Hispanics too.

[sickofnyc99]

Yet again the solution to all lifes problems is just at the other end of a lawsuit. What happened is horrible, no question. This guy was most likely trying to squeeze out an existence like many other immigrants before him. These kids should be held responsible as adults and pay the price. Without exception. Making a statement with a lawsuit is the wrong avenue to go down. It sets a dangerous precident.

Lets also not forget that this gentleman could very well be breaking the law. I do not imply by any means that he deserved to die because he broke the law but it is a factor that people conveniently overlook. The illegal immigrant population is taxing the social services system of this country, and it's near the breaking point. Something has to be done so hopefully these tensions can ease.

Also Levy has dropped the number of hate crimes in the county each year he's been in office. Nobody is up in arms about when Islip town writes parking tickets. It's the law, he's doing his job.

One thing people forget amidst all the complaints about whats wrong with America is that thousands of people are readily willing to risk thier lives to even have a shot at something that we have.

[progressive]

"What happened in Patchogue is sick and disgusting, but it is no worse than what happens in the streets of this country everyday."

So you are telling me that in the streets of this country a pack of high school kids that live in a nice suburban town go around targeting a specific race to beat up, and in this case murder? You are saying this happens on a daily basis? I also must add that I have read many blogs in my life here and there and this is the first time I felt the need to comment. How dare you try to lessen the magnitude of a situation like this by chalking it up to something that goes on everyday in the streets of this country? Obviously there is violence in this country every single day, but this case is far from the norm. When white people have a history of being oppressed and discriminated against then you can talk. A white person (I am white) cannot possibly comprehend what it must feel like to be a minority, and being legal or illegal is irrelevant in this case. Every human has a right to life and that does not matter if they filled out the proper documents and applied to be a citizen or not. I may have gotten off track a bit, my point was to stress that high school kids do not go around everyday in this country and murder people because of the color of their skin.