Dear Red States ... A Classic. (Liberty, Mexico: tornadoes, quality of life, taxes)

[sickofnyc99]

Oh crook and 'no one died'????? How about those poor soldiers in Mogadishu??? Left to die because billy-boy didn't have the sack to back-up his charges. OUR people dragged through the streets, and his response was.....to run away. That showed Bin-Laddie that if we got punched in the nose the US would go running. Good job Billy!!!!! Oh yeah and bang-up job on loosening the credit restraints!!! Billy really doesn't get enough credit for that these days.

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by azzurrony

Smash,

Again your missing the point. I brought up examples of successful Red States that have implemented conversative policies to really shine, and you then try to lump in less successful states to make your argument. I'm not saying Red States are better than Blue States or vice versa. I'm saying that Red States which have implemented smart conservative fiscal policies have seen real investment, growth, improved education, better infrastructure, and job creation compared to the rest of the country.

The auto industry is a great example of this. Blue State Michigan lets itself be controlled and strangled by the UAW. Unions run the political machine there, and they have created an enviroment of ridiculous pensions, benefits, anti-layoff schemes, etc. on the auto companies there.

Alabama, Tennessee, and other states in the south welcome foreign auto manufacturers and don't let the unions bully them around. The result is a real success story for those communities with new growth and jobs created.

We can either live in the Blue State past with its old political machines, corruption, and red tape, or we can reform our ways. This goes for both Dems and Republicans in NY and other blue states. The Republicans up here are basically Democrats in disguise and do nothing to stop the cronies, favors, horrible spending, taxes, and red tape.

I clearly think we should adopt more successful, smart, conservative fiscal policies that have proven real growth. If you don't, then that's your opinion and there is nothing I can do to change it.

The thing is your saying these policies have been so successful, but they really haven't been. You suggest I am lumping in less successful states to make my argument, but even the two states you just brought up (Alabama and Tennessee) are both in the top 10 states as far as highest poverty rates go. Only one state in the south (Virginia) has a lower poverty rate than the national average.

[azzurrony]

Smash

Look, your politics skew your ability to give credit to these States. I understand that. But, it's disingenuous.

1. I brought up Alabama and Tennessee as examples where certain communities have thrived from attracting the auto industry there. Yes, these are poor states, but that's not the point. The point is are they BETTER OFF from where they were for having gotten those industries. Of course they are.

2. Are N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Texas, and Utah BETTER OFF than they were for having implemented conservative policies. Of course they are.

I know that fact hurts you because it cuts against your politics. But, it's the truth. For historical reasons, those states were WAY behind Northeastern states in many areas. But, the point is they are making progress. And, we all know why.

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by I'minformed2

wow...thsi thread needs to be locked now. This is nothing but a bickering match between zealots on teh left and zealots on the right.

My question is simple.

Long Island Red or Blue?

crooks

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by sickofnyc99

Oh crook and 'no one died'????? How about those poor soldiers in Mogadishu??? Left to die because billy-boy didn't have the sack to back-up his charges. OUR people dragged through the streets, and his response was.....to run away. That showed Bin-Laddie that if we got punched in the nose the US would go running. Good job Billy!!!!! Oh yeah and bang-up job on loosening the credit restraints!!! Billy really doesn't get enough credit for that these days.

Ooh Rah!

Ill take 8 years of peace and prosperity (along with a casual Lewinski) over the buffoonery of GWB.

Yet in a weird twist of irony, Powell backs Obama.
Hmmmmm?

Long Island Red or Blue?

crooks

[sickofnyc99]

Yes prosperity that we are paying for now. Everyone seems to have convenient amnesia. Big Billy loosened the restraints on credit, aren't we having a problem with that now?? Big Billy chose not to repond to attacks across the globe and what happened? Oh yeah he showed terrorists that we'll sit on our hands and issue idle threats. 2,000 people payed the bill on that one. Lewinsky was the least of our problems with him. Not to mention selling military secrets to China. Oh yeah LI is BLUE BLUE BLUE.

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by azzurrony

Smash

Look, your politics skew your ability to give credit to these States. I understand that. But, it's disingenuous.

1. I brought up Alabama and Tennessee as examples where certain communities have thrived from attracting the auto industry there. Yes, these are poor states, but that's not the point. The point is are they BETTER OFF from where they were for having gotten those industries. Of course they are.

2. Are N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Texas, and Utah BETTER OFF than they were for having implemented conservative policies. Of course they are.

I know that fact hurts you because it cuts against your politics. But, it's the truth. For historical reasons, those states were WAY behind Northeastern states in many areas. But, the point is they are making progress. And, we all know why.

The states you mentioned have long had conservative policies, its nothing new. It is interesting to note the areas of these states which have seen the most growth, the most expansion, etc, deem to be deep blue areas of these states (Research Triangle, Austin).

Anyway some of the areas have clearly flourished recently, however as a whole the south is still FAR behind the rest of the country when it comes to things such as poverty, income, quality of schools, crime rates, etc Some of these gaps have even increased in recent years.

Many companies have moved down to these areas as a result of the policies, however in many cases the pay they are offering tend to be sub-standard (even taking into consideration the lower living costs) same with insurance programs offered to employees, etc.

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by sickofnyc99

Yes prosperity that we are paying for now. Everyone seems to have convenient amnesia. Big Billy loosened the restraints on credit, aren't we having a problem with that now?? Big Billy chose not to repond to attacks across the globe and what happened? Oh yeah he showed terrorists that we'll sit on our hands and issue idle threats. 2,000 people payed the bill on that one. Lewinsky was the least of our problems with him. Not to mention selling military secrets to China. Oh yeah LI is BLUE BLUE BLUE.

You seem to forget "wag the dog" when we actually had actionable intelligence on Bin laden and acted on it, Republicans in Congress complained about it because they viewed it as a distraction from the Lewinsky scandal.

[sickofnyc99]

I'm sorry how exactly did we act against OBL?? Last I heard he's alive and well. The CIA offered his head on a plate and Billy chose not to take it. You see the way to handle these things is how Reagan handled the Libiyan problem. You tell him to cut it out, he doesn't you skip some 500 pounders off his front porch and take out his wife and kid. We haven't heard to much from him since then have we??

[sickofnyc99]

I'm sure you complain about removing a splinter but you know it needs to be done so you do it.