Dear Red States ... A Classic.

[DeadPool1998]

Originally Posted by bluenoter

I don't know why everyone on Long Island doesn't move to Dallas, Nashville, Oklahoma City, Bentonville, Ark. etc.

Almost everything in these areas are brand new. New buildings, restaurants, homes, golf courses, business, opportunity, optimism. The future is in the South.

People in the know from New York & California are moving to where there is opportunity.

The Red States are financially stable, and people are becoming wealthy. Come on down!!!

I've lived in Daytona Beach and Oklahoma City. I ran SCREAMING from them both. Sure. the Applebees and the Outback Steakhouse are brand-spankin' new. But you've got to like Lettuce Entertain You restaurants and not a whole lot else to really want to live there.

Oh - and you've got to see a value in good schools. The south doesn't have them, unless you move into a gated community.

[Foreverking]

Originally Posted by azzurrony

Funny how those red states of N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Texas, and Utah have been among the most forward thinking in the tech sector, research and development, biotech, energy, etc. and that their economies have created more new jobs than many blue states combined. I wonder why that is?

those states are high in the misery index. slave states still pay slave wages

[DeadPool1998]

Originally Posted by azzurrony

You guys are missing the point. There are actually people on here who truly believe Blue States are "smarter" and if you voted for Obama you are a spur to the economy. That kind of simple minded logic is what divides this country in the first place.

First of all, blue states are smarter. Red States have been experiencing a brain-drain for a number of years. All red states, with the exception of Florida and North Caroline (which went blue this year) lose their college graduates to states with major cities, typically on the coasts. There was a fantastic write-up on this The Atlantic about 3 years ago based on longitudinal comparisons of census data.

Secondly, the idea the blue states think they are smarter isn't what divides the country. What divides this country is the backwards notion that education and book-reading doesn't improve your civic value. There is an anti-intellectual thread to contemporary conservative politics. It is scary and it brought to us the likes of W and Palin (the later polled first among Republicans recently to run in 2012).

So, if the GOP is going to run campaigns calling Obama an elitist because he graduated from Harvard, or implying Kerry was a feminized weakling because he spoke French, you will continue to earn the impression that you are anti-intellectual.

Stop making football the centerpieces of your states' flagship universities, and this impression might change.

[DeadPool1998]

Originally Posted by sickofnyc99

Oh crook and 'no one died'????? How about those poor soldiers in Mogadishu??? Left to die because billy-boy didn't have the sack to back-up his charges. OUR people dragged through the streets, and his response was.....to run away. That showed Bin-Laddie that if we got punched in the nose the US would go running. Good job Billy!!!!! Oh yeah and bang-up job on loosening the credit restraints!!! Billy really doesn't get enough credit for that these days.

Well you carted out all the GOP talking points. I hope you saved a hand to carry your Kool Aid.

I'll grant that lending rules were liberalized, but that's a concession on your part that financial institutions need federal oversight. "Liberalized" is a peculiar word to use too, as it really means he embraced Bush's free market mantra.

Moreover, the liberal lending wouldn't have been a problem at all if the Gramm-written legislation allowing the securitizing of loans wouldn't have passed the GOP congress to be signed by Bush. That bill made it impossible to re-write loan terms and made it legal for financial institutions to bet on defaults.

What Clinton did pales in comparison to what Bush and Phil Gramm did.

[azzurrony]

Originally Posted by DeadPool1998

First of all, blue states are smarter. Red States have been experiencing a brain-drain for a number of years. All red states, with the exception of Florida and North Caroline (which went blue this year) lose their college graduates to states with major cities, typically on the coasts. There was a fantastic write-up on this The Atlantic about 3 years ago based on longitudinal comparisons of census data.

Secondly, the idea the blue states think they are smarter isn't what divides the country. What divides this country is the backwards notion that education and book-reading doesn't improve your civic value. There is an anti-intellectual thread to contemporary conservative politics. It is scary and it brought to us the likes of W and Palin (the later polled first among Republicans recently to run in 2012).

So, if the GOP is going to run campaigns calling Obama an elitist because he graduated from Harvard, or implying Kerry was a feminized weakling because he spoke French, you will continue to earn the impression that you are anti-intellectual.

Stop making football the centerpieces of your states' flagship universities, and this impression might change.

The ignorance, stereotyping and generalizations in this post are really revealing. Tulane, Emory, Rice, Vanderbilt, U of Texas, UNC, Duke, etc...just football schools eh? Tulane is my alma mater..I spent 7 years in New Orleans. I know the South and it's full of just as many intelligent, articulate, and bright people as NYC and LI.

Let me give you an example of how flawed your logic is. It would be like me saying the vast majority of minorities that are uneducated voted Democratic. Therefore, the Democrats and Blue States must be made up of dumber people.

Not everyone has your values or ideals. But, that doesn't mean you are brighter than them. You know, I can't believe those education hating Republicans in Louisiana voted for Bobby Jindal...an Indian American who was an Oxford scholar and worked for McKinsey. He must have been dumber than his opponent *sarcasm*

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by azzurrony

The ignorance, stereotyping and generalizations in this post are really revealing. Tulane, Emory, Rice, Vanderbilt, U of Texas, UNC, Duke, etc...just football schools eh? Tulane is my alma mater..I spent 7 years in New Orleans. I know the South and it's full of just as many intelligent, articulate, and bright people as NYC and LI.

Let me give you an example of how flawed your logic is. It would be like me saying the vast majority of minorities that are uneducated voted Democratic. Therefore, the Democrats and Blue States must be made up of dumber people.

Not everyone has your values or ideals. But, that doesn't mean you are brighter than them. You know, I can't believe those education hating Republicans in Louisiana voted for Bobby Jindal...an Indian American who was an Oxford scholar and worked for McKinsey. He must have been dumber than his opponent *sarcasm*

Behold Dumb****istan.

I doubt much has changed since 2000.

http://www.census.gov/population/www..._Education.pdf

Crooks

[DeadPool1998]

Originally Posted by azzurrony

The ignorance, stereotyping and generalizations in this post are really revealing. Tulane, Emory, Rice, Vanderbilt, U of Texas, UNC, Duke, etc...just football schools eh? Tulane is my alma mater..I spent 7 years in New Orleans. I know the South and it's full of just as many intelligent, articulate, and bright people as NYC and LI.

Let me give you an example of how flawed your logic is. It would be like me saying the vast majority of minorities that are uneducated voted Democratic. Therefore, the Democrats and Blue States must be made up of dumber people.

Not everyone has your values or ideals. But, that doesn't mean you are brighter than them. You know, I can't believe those education hating Republicans in Louisiana voted for Bobby Jindal...an Indian American who was an Oxford scholar and worked for McKinsey. He must have been dumber than his opponent *sarcasm*

Atlantic 10/06

"Over the past three decades, the percentage of Americans holding a college degree has more than doubled, reaching 27 percent by 2004, but as the maps below show, those gains have not been evenly spread. For instance, about half of the residents of Washington, D.C., and San Francisco now have college degrees—versus 14 percent and 11 percent in Cleveland and Detroit respectively. The trends for graduate degrees show a similar pattern. In Washington, D.C., and Seattle, more than 20 percent of the adult population had an advanced degree in 2004, compared with 5 percent in Cleveland, 4 percent in Detroit, and 2 percent in Newark. In the downtown neighborhoods of high-powered cities, the concentration of well-educated people is even greater. In 2000, more than two-thirds of the residents of downtown Chicago and of Midtown Manhattan, for example, held college degrees. Most rural and many suburban areas, meanwhile, are being left behind. Significantly, young graduates are flocking in ever-greater numbers to the “means metros,” where they often live in penury until either making it or being forced out by the high cost of living."

"What’s behind this phenomenon? Some of the reasons for it are essentially aesthetic—many of the means metros are beautiful, energizing, and fun to live in. But there is another reason, rooted in economics: increasingly, the most talented and ambitious people need to live in a means metro in order to realize their full economic value."

BTW - Indians are not considered minorities.

BTW - Tulane, Rice, Vanderbilt & Duke are private schools.

UNC is not only in a blue state, but it is a formerly red state that was actually the first southern state to embrace a state-sponsored public school system. Every other slave state fought against it. Today, the voucher program is the rebirth of the anti-public school movement. This same movement is part of the Southern effort that experienced it's first revival following the desegregation of public schools - a movement that essentially argued that if you are going to force my kids to sit next to blacks, we'd rather destroy the schools.

UT is the exception here. How's the football team doing? They were in first place before losing to Texas Tech. But Oklahoma should have another shot at the BCS if it knocks of Tech next week.

I think I'm winning this argument.

[Smash255]

Originally Posted by DeadPool1998

Atlantic 10/06

"Over the past three decades, the percentage of Americans holding a college degree has more than doubled, reaching 27 percent by 2004, but as the maps below show, those gains have not been evenly spread. For instance, about half of the residents of Washington, D.C., and San Francisco now have college degrees—versus 14 percent and 11 percent in Cleveland and Detroit respectively. The trends for graduate degrees show a similar pattern. In Washington, D.C., and Seattle, more than 20 percent of the adult population had an advanced degree in 2004, compared with 5 percent in Cleveland, 4 percent in Detroit, and 2 percent in Newark. In the downtown neighborhoods of high-powered cities, the concentration of well-educated people is even greater. In 2000, more than two-thirds of the residents of downtown Chicago and of Midtown Manhattan, for example, held college degrees. Most rural and many suburban areas, meanwhile, are being left behind. Significantly, young graduates are flocking in ever-greater numbers to the “means metros,” where they often live in penury until either making it or being forced out by the high cost of living."

"What’s behind this phenomenon? Some of the reasons for it are essentially aesthetic—many of the means metros are beautiful, energizing, and fun to live in. But there is another reason, rooted in economics: increasingly, the most talented and ambitious people need to live in a means metro in order to realize their full economic value."

BTW - Indians are not considered minorities.

BTW - Tulane, Rice, Vanderbilt & Duke are private schools.

UNC is not only in a blue state, but it is a formerly red state that was actually the first southern state to embrace a state-sponsored public school system. Every other slave state fought against it. Today, the voucher program is the rebirth of the anti-public school movement. This same movement is part of the Southern effort that experienced it's first revival following the desegregation of public schools - a movement that essentially argued that if you are going to force my kids to sit next to blacks, we'd rather destroy the schools.

UT is the exception here. How's the football team doing? They were in first place before losing to Texas Tech. But Oklahoma should have another shot at the BCS if it knocks of Tech next week.

I think I'm winning this argument.

Good point, also in regards to UNC, its not exactly in a conservative area by any stretch of the imagination. Chapel Hill was once referred to as a "zoo" and "should be walled off from of the rest of North Carolina" by Jesse Helms, and its more liberal now than it was when he made those comments. Also the areas in the south which have the highest education rates (Research Triangle and Northern Virginia) are areas that have moved SHARPLY left in recent years and are now pretty much Democratic strongholds.

I do think its a bit silly getting into the argument of what area is smarter, but it is interesting to note the quality of education differneces, and the overall emphasis on education in some parts of the country compared to other parts of the country.

[Keeper]

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