Is Farmingville safe? (Islip, Union, Central Islip: skateboarding, crime, how much)

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by Arron

Wasn't she asking if farmingville was a safe place to rent an apartment?


Mt Rainier Ave is just south of the Brookhaven Town offices. that's a perfectly fine area and I wouldn't have any worries about violence there.

That said, a popular topic around here is legal vs illegal apartments. I assume this is in a house? Do you know how many units are in the house?

given that farmingville IS known for a large illegal alien population, you might want to find out (if you don't know already) how many other rental units are in this property and how many people (citizens or not) live there already.

Yes

That area is very nice.

and safe.

crooks

[MikeyKid]

Originally Posted by Crookhaven

Do you want your 19 year old daughter living there alone with all the drama?
Who knows?

crooks

Not to carry this out to a crazy extent because I think you've been very fair in your arguments, but the answer to this is "Yes".

I say this not only from experience, but logic - these immigrants are riding a very fine line right now. The cops generally leave them alone, however their "loitering" leaves a tenuous situation with the residents. They want the cops to run them out and frankly, any "violence" or "aggressive" act is targeted towards THEM, not the other way around.

They might not speak English, but they're not idiots. ANY incident towards a 19 year old daughter (as in your example) would bring the wrath down upon all of them and push the situation quickly to beyond boiling. I fully believe they police themselves in this regard because if any of them slip up, they know the consequences will be horrific - game over.

[Jrprofess]

Originally Posted by MikeyKid

The classic use stats/links when they say what you want and point out they lie when they don't... here's Tecumseh school which is in Farmingville / Sachem and EAST of N Ocean Ave. Right into the WORST pocket of these immigrants.

Student Teacher Ratio Tecumseh Elementary School - Farmingville, New York - NY

It's 78% White and 9% Hispanic.

This is a valid point as people sometimes tend to forget that because this is a laborer gathering point, which of course is not necessarily a great thing, it speaks more to the fact that is on a main thoroughfare and close to the LIE than it is home to these same laborers. Many come from neighboring Ronkonkoma, Selden, Medford, Patchogue, etc. For my two cents, I would prefer it over many areas in Ronkonkoma and Selden, and would put Sachem ahead of Middle Country, Longwood, and tied with a Rocky Point. For those looking for a smaller school feel Rocky Point might win out, for those looking for a larger number of services due to its size, then maybe Sachem is the right fit. To each their own.

Also of curious note, if you do a quick search on foreclosure listings on a site like yahoo real estate there are a couple of more listings for Rocky Point than Farmingville. I think of gravest concern for areas like Rocky Point, Selden, Medford, Farmingville, etc is what they become over the next 24 months if these "affordable" areas during the boom (that attracted young couples) become notable areas of foreclosures. I would be concerned that things would go downhill. Time will tell.

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by Jrprofess

This is a valid point as people sometimes tend to forget that because this is a laborer gathering point, which of course is not necessarily a great thing, it speaks more to the fact that is on a main thoroughfare and close to the LIE than it is home to these same laborers. Many come from neighboring Ronkonkoma, Selden, Medford, Patchogue, etc. For my two cents, I would prefer it over many areas in Ronkonkoma and Selden, and would put Sachem ahead of Middle Country, Longwood, and tied with a Rocky Point. For those looking for a smaller school feel Rocky Point might win out, for those looking for a larger number of services due to its size, then maybe Sachem is the right fit. To each their own.

Also of curious note, if you do a quick search on foreclosure listings on a site like yahoo real estate there are a couple of more listings for Rocky Point than Farmingville. I think of gravest concern for areas like Rocky Point, Selden, Medford, Farmingville, etc is what they become over the next 24 months if these "affordable" areas during the boom (that attracted young couples) become notable areas of foreclosures. I would be concerned that things would go downhill. Time will tell.

Rocky Point is holding its own relative to the downdraft.

Were getting a fair share of downsizers.
Theres only so many towns North of 25a with low taxes and good schools.

Great place to land.

Crooks

[sean sean sean sean]

Originally Posted by Crookhaven

Sorry Sean I just dont see it, plus Rocky Point has significantly changed for the better since 2000. The 2010 census will illustrate that.

I cant speak to Farmingville.

If your serious ....cross reference it with ethnicity and free lunch numbers.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Farmin...-New-York.html
Do you really think Farmingville is only 8% Hispanic?
If thats the case wheres the other 42% who missed the survey?

crooks

I really don't know much about Farmingville at all. The most time I've ever spent there was when I used to go to the car show at Bald Hill. It looked like every other town in the middle of Suffolk to me. I just like to bring some legitimate facts to these types of discussions wherever I can, as they're usually lacking. How anyone chooses to interpret them is their own decision, but personally I find a lot more truth in numbers (and consistency across the board) than I do in the opinions of people I've never personally met. I don't know what kind of agenda or bias anyone has on here, and one man's palace is another man's Port Morris.

I looked up free lunch, 7% for Sachem East. 5% Hispanic student body, only 1% of which have limited English proficiency. These are stats from last year, not 2000. I'm only mentioning this to put it in perspective for you, I don't want to start some ridiculous pissing match about Rocky Point being better or worse than whatever other place....but Rocky Point HS is 10% free lunch, 4% Hispanic student body and 1% spanglish. Let me repeat, I don't care which one is better and I don't know enough to say - but those are the numbers!

I think JRP is on to something. It seems that Farmingville may be more of a day laborer gathering point than a place they call home. It's not just the census data, the school stats seem to back this up as well!

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by sean sean sean sean

I really don't know much about Farmingville at all. The most time I've ever spent there was when I used to go to the car show at Bald Hill. It looked like every other town in the middle of Suffolk to me. I just like to bring some legitimate facts to these types of discussions wherever I can, as they're usually lacking. How anyone chooses to interpret them is their own decision, but personally I find a lot more truth in numbers (and consistency across the board) than I do in the opinions of people I've never personally met. I don't know what kind of agenda or bias anyone has on here, and one man's palace is another man's Port Morris.

I looked up free lunch, 7% for Sachem East. 5% Hispanic student body, only 1% of which have limited English proficiency. These are stats from last year, not 2000. I'm only mentioning this to put it in perspective for you, I don't want to start some ridiculous pissing match about Rocky Point being better or worse than whatever other place....but Rocky Point HS is 10% free lunch, 4% Hispanic student body and 1% spanglish. Let me repeat, I don't care which one is better and I don't know enough to say - but those are the numbers!

I think JRP is on to something. It seems that Farmingville may be more of a day laborer gathering point than a place they call home. It's not just the census data, the school stats seem to back this up as well!

I'm more of an eyeball guy than a data miner, take a ride up and see the neighborhoods off Portion road and Horseblock(Medford?), you would see a very different story than what the Census is saying.

Also keep in mind when your talking about a district the as massive as Sachem vs a Small district like Rocky Point the percentages would obviously be skewed.

It would be incredibly naive to believe the numbers tell the whole story of any community.Especially numbers from 8 years ago that clearly dont reflect a community in its entirety.(I tell ya if Farmingville is 8% Hispanic than Central Islip is still predominatly Irish)

Like I said before before my wife plays Soccer up on Portion and shes never had any problems with the locals.

As far as the areas by Bald Hill/Town Hall are concerned, theyre beautiful and I'd have no problem with living there at all.

Peace

crooks

[Crookhaven]

Originally Posted by MikeyKid

Not to carry this out to a crazy extent because I think you've been very fair in your arguments, but the answer to this is "Yes".

I say this not only from experience, but logic - these immigrants are riding a very fine line right now. The cops generally leave them alone, however their "loitering" leaves a tenuous situation with the residents. They want the cops to run them out and frankly, any "violence" or "aggressive" act is targeted towards THEM, not the other way around.

They might not speak English, but they're not idiots. ANY incident towards a 19 year old daughter (as in your example) would bring the wrath down upon all of them and push the situation quickly to beyond boiling. I fully believe they police themselves in this regard because if any of them slip up, they know the consequences will be horrific - game over.

Sadly youre 100% correct.

If I were El Salvadorian or Mexican I'd be more concerned with my son living on Long Island right now. The BS has to stop.

The Patchogue Skinheads need to go to jail for a very,very long time.
(and we wonder why MS-13 is here)


I have to agree that the problems are systemic and far bigger than Farmingville.

My apologies if I offended anyone.

crooks

[dman72]

Originally Posted by Crookhaven

Sadly youre 100% correct.

If I were El Salvadorian or Mexican I'd be more concerned with my son living on Long Island right now. The BS has to stop.

The Patchogue Skinheads need to go to jail for a very,very long time.
(and we wonder why MS-13 is here)


I have to agree that the problems are systemic and far bigger than Farmingville.

My apologies if I offended anyone.

crooks

The Patchogue skinheads (I think the guy who stabbed was probably a skinhead..the others were his *******y freinds and at least one was a minority himself) should and will go to jail.

If you were El Salvadoran or Mexican and had a kid, I should probably be more scared of MS-13 than white skinhead gangs..considering that there are probably about 50 guys enrolled in white skinhead gangs, and a few hundred or more in MS13 on Long Island who are quite "aggressive" in their "recruiting" (Ie join or we will beat the living daylights out of you).

It's amazing how the media skews things (and I'm not right winger, I just live here and see the truth). There have been about 4 racially motivated attacks against immigrants in the last 5 years. How many shootings, stabbings, and beatings have there been in that time period because of Latino gangs, against immigrants? There is vocal outrage and disgust against what happened in Patchogue (as there should be), but when Newsday has someone getting shot in Hempstead or Huntington Station because of gang violence..there's barely a whimper.

As for Farmingville, it's fine. Just don't go to 7 eleven by yourself late at night if you are a young woman, that's my only recommendation.

[MikeyKid]

Since this will end up being a hit from any Farmingville search for someone on these boards, I just wanted to add a couple of things - caveat to my bias for living there.

I would definitely agree that Farmingville is more the gathering point - not where the majority of immigrants are living. To be realistic, there ARE immigrants living in some overcrowded rental situations in Farmingville. To that point, I've personally seen the town clean-up quite a few of these in the past year or 2... Having spoken to them (they used my backyard for some recon on 1 house), it's a priority for them to stay on top of those situations. NOTE: we had one of these situations in the house behind me and NEVER had an incident with them. The worst was the occassional soccer ball coming over the fence into my yard and some loud Latino music on a Friday or Saturday night. On a weeknight, we never heard a peep. They know the deal.

I think everyone agrees that the "worst" area of Farmingville is around Horseblock Rd - with the worst of that being East into Medford. West towards Nichols Rd does cater to a Latino population for sure - stores, businesses, etc. However, it's important to note that you won't find any "Check Cashing" storefronts in Farmingville, which to me is a sure sign of a potential poverty issue. You can drive into Medford and see them immediately.

I honestly believe that the majority of the residential issue is in Medford and the spillover into Farmingville is more visible driving down N Ocean. It's definitely not a Wyandanch/Dix Hills comparison, but it's similar in the fact that a border area doesn't define a town.

Originally Posted by dman72

As for Farmingville, it's fine. Just don't go to 7 eleven by yourself late at night if you are a young woman, that's my only recommendation.

This is just wrong... either the 7-11 on the corner of N Ocean / Horseblock or the 7-11 West on Horseblock is no different then the majority of 7-11s anywhere on LI at night. My wife DOES visit these after dark, plus the Dunkin Donuts on Horseblock as late as 9-10pm (she's a coffee junkie).

When I was younger, I rented with a buddy in Central Islip... now THAT area for 7-11s after dark I would agree with this statement. How someone puts Farmingville in that category boggles my mind.

[rockypointny]

However, it's important to note that you won't find any "Check Cashing" storefronts in Farmingville, which to me is a sure sign of a potential poverty issue.

You won't find any in Rocky Point either. Just throwing it out there.